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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by verdverm »

croes wrote: post #233
csmpltn wrote: post #126

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

Same for me with Chrome on Android. This forced tab grouping is totally killing my workflow.

You can still disable this via some chrome://flags tweaking

2 column tabs sadly no more...

Why they think this is better UX is beyond me

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by agumonkey »

gfodor wrote: post #324
agumonkey wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to have 1200 tabs open but I noticed more lag around above 800. That said my computer are far from last gen and I wouldn't blame mozilla for not supporting 1000+ tab hoarders anyway. But yeah firefox is not bloated even when abused. that said I despised the UI redesigns and the recent FTP kill.. I want a broswer, not a fashion magazine

can you explain what the value is of having that many tabs open? i hear people do this but never understood it. what's the point?

There's no point. It's just a blend of laziness / hoarding / fomo

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by slipperlobster »

beebeepka wrote: post #192

Firefox threads are ways the same: self proclaimed power users complain about minor changes to colours and shadows. That's been going on since v4, which was what, a decade ago? So, my takeaway is that Firefox has become a punching bag for people to vent on. Sad state of affairs. Especially because it would be really hard, if not impossible, for Mozilla to shed this image

Personally, I don't mind the UI changes.

I hate how Firefox _forces_ me to restart my browser when it arbitrarily decides to update. Makes webdev a headache.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by stanziak »

csmpltn wrote: post #126

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

Funny, I’ve used it on and off for 12 years, switching to other browsers when they started doing rapid release since it was noticeably slower than the competition. But since 2017 when the Quantum update came out I’ve completely switched to it because it’s speed became comparable to the competition. I like it even more when they added container tabs so I can switch between accounts easily. Reading this thread is really strange based on my experience. I do agree that Google makes it hard to use their products like Meet or Drive outside of Gmail and Calendar (the only Google products I use).

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by granzymes »

gibba999 wrote: post #340
granzymes wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are welcome to read the complaint. I've pulled out some choice paragraphs: 5. To protect its valuable Windows monopoly against such potential competitive threats, and to extend its operating system monopoly into other software markets, Microsoft has engaged in a series of anticompetitive activities. Microsoft's conduct includes agreements tying other Microsoft software products to Microsoft's Windows operating sy…

Gosh, these sound just like Android, now that you're quoting it. My Android phone came with Chrome, gmail, Google Maps, uploads my photos to Google, and requires a Google account. But I think that's beside the point. Microsoft did a lot of anti-competitive things in a lot of markets. Limiting scope to one particular litigation isn't really helpful here. The phrasing, "THE compliant," makes it sound like there wasn't…

> Gosh, these sound just like Android, now that you're quoting it.

Android is getting in trouble for it in the EU!

>But I think that's beside the point. Microsoft did a lot of anti-competitive things in a lot of markets. Limiting scope to one particular litigation isn't really helpful here. The phrasing, "THE compliant," makes it sound like there wasn't a mountain of complaints. There was.

This thread was about their legal issues with IE. People complain about a lot of things, but that doesn't make them illegal.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by jray »

freediver wrote: post #83
solarkraft wrote: post #82

It’s close to losing me too. I stuck with it in a major part to prevent a monoculture, but It’s much slower than Chrome, causes major memory issues on my machine (M1 Mac) and with Mozilla on a kamikaze mission I don’t think it’s going to get better any time soon. Literally the only thing keeping me there are Tree Style Tabs/Sidebery. Give me a Chrome based browser with that and I’ll switch (Edge’s vertical tabs don’t…

Orion (WebKit based) has native tree style tabs, plus runs Chrome/Firefox extensions. Currently in beta (disclaimer: founder)

Why doesn't it have a status bar? All the software I use has a status bar, but for years it has become fashionable not to have one in browsers.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by crazygringo »

gibba999 wrote: post #227
eitland wrote: post #143

I have contacted local authorities twice about anti competitive behavior from Chrome. If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-) Same if ten - twenty Germans or Brits or French do the same. I would mention: 1. that some of their web properties (calendar and YouTube) have been intentionally incompatible with Firefox as evidenced by how well they work in Firefox if one…

My child's school uses Google Classroom. The Google experience is unusable in Firefox. Meet doesn't work (e.g. he sees nothing when the teacher screenshares). This seems really quite anti-competitive. My child cares about privacy and switches browsers. Chrome for Meet, Firefox for most non-Google things.

Meet absolutely works in Firefox, there's nothing anti-competitive going on. As do Google products generally (though there are occasionally performance issues where Firefox simply doesn't provide an API that Chrome does and the polyfill is slower, but then Firefox catches up).

But try disabling browser extensions and see if that fixes it -- a majority of the time that's the culprit. With videoconferencing specifically, it's often an extension or setting to block videos from autoplaying.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by semiotic1 »

chiefofgxbxl wrote: post #316
csmpltn wrote: post #126

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

I've been a Firefox user for at least 15 years as well, and the recent UI updates in v89 is the first instance of me refusing to update Firefox. I updated my user prefs file to permanently disable updates, so I'm remaining on pre-ProtonUI v88. Of course, I don't know how much longer I could sustain that because I'd also not receive security patches, but in the short term it's what I'm doing. The new Firefox UI is inc…

https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix fixes most of the frustrating bits of Proton you describe.

It's arguably not the same as a sensible out-of-the box design, but far better than sticking to old versions just because of the UI.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by eitland »

coldtea wrote: post #302
eitland wrote: post #143

I have contacted local authorities twice about anti competitive behavior from Chrome. If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-) Same if ten - twenty Germans or Brits or French do the same. I would mention: 1. that some of their web properties (calendar and YouTube) have been intentionally incompatible with Firefox as evidenced by how well they work in Firefox if one…

> If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-) That 5 people wrote to them?

Yes. It is my sincere belief that very few people notice && care enough to figure out who to contact, how to contact them and actually do it.
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