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Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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There is, but it's disabled by default. Use defaults write -g NSWindowShouldDragOnGesture -bool true Then restart, and now while holding Ctrl-⌘ you can click and drag _anywhere_ on the window to move it.

WHOA that is amazing! That would solve so many of this issues.

Seems like it should be enabled by default, unless it already has another binding.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Why do browser updates keep fucking with the basic interface design? None of these changes are ever necessary. If designers need to justify their jobs, fine. They should design the interface layout with modular components that can be entirely customized by the user. IMO no user should ever be forced to use designs that are the product of meaningless fads in the design world.

From what I understand, the question is similar to “why do developers keep inventing new frameworks and new programming languages?” Maybe developers are justifying their jobs. Maybe younger developers are excited about ditching the old crufty frameworks and languages, and exploring something new. Maybe every 10 years they reinvent the old wheels, and older developers are grumpy that the change was not needed in the f…

Right: every profession does stupid stuff I am sure, and developers certainly waste a lot of time throwing away good code to start over again; but I think today we are talking about designers?

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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I vehemently disagree that vertical space used is negligible. Due to standard aspect ratios, the vertical space of the display is at a premium. 1920*1080 means you have 840 less vertical pixels than horizontal - it makes a lot of sense to me to try to reclaim some of that space for actual content instead of widgets.

I agree. I'm running the new OS. There were some UI changes that frustrated me. But when I thought about why I was frustrated, the reason was simply because the UI was new and my old habit patterns didn't work. When I took the time to learn the new UI, I liked it more. The event was a learning experience in why people hate change. It takes effort to realize the benefit (if there is one), otherwise without the effort just frustration (unless the change is bad).

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Things like the tab bar and the reload button are not mere "widgets"; they are the core UI elements. They are the single most important part of the app. This is simply a bad call. I'm all for saving vertical space whenever possible. But this is a bad call.

I CMD+R every time and I guess for the amount of time people reload it’s not costly to learn it …

If I CMD+R on Hacker News, it reloads the page. If I do it on outlook.office.com, it starts drafting a reply to the email I have selected. Reload button does the same thing everywhere.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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I found that to just change the animations to fade instead of scale/pan. The duration is unaffected, it just makes it flatter and uglier. I wonder how fast things would feel if you could disable all animations, Windows XP style.

Yes! I was shocked this setting doesn’t allow me to instantly move around views in iOS! There’s no way in iOS anymore to avoid all of the weird transition animations. Reduce motion hardly does anything at all anymore. In fact, it’s even more jarring than with animations.

Reduce motion is an accessibility option made to… reduce motion. Changing the animation from swipe to crossfade accomplishes that quite neatly. It keeps everything in place as it switches.

I use it because moving the entire display can give me motion sickness. It’s doing exactly what it should do.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Tab groups are Apple’s solution to having less space for tabs. As a casual Tree Style Tabs user I can see them really working better than one giant mess of tabs.

Honest question. How are people using tabs such that they would want to organise them? Most of my tabs have lifetimes of seconds to minutes and there is no order in the chaos to be found.

I definitely wish that I could group tabs when I am working. I keep groups of tabs together, and these tab groups have long lifetimes. I also open various differently size windows depending on the content of each page. All of this is to work around the mess of "good enough" user interfaces that I deal with everyday. If I see myself opening more "ad hoc" tabs, I closed them as soon as I can. I don't need any more chaos.

Right now I am not at work, and I have three browser windows open and there are no scroll bars. I have managed to turn off tabs for the most part using Firefox userChrome.css and about:config. If I need another browser page, I'll open another browser window. When I have more than 4 or 5 browser windows I start stacking/offsetting the windows.

Unfortunately, "Tabs" are modes. http://www.nomodes.com/

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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This is basically what I tell people when they ask me why I put my start menu and task bar on the left side of the screen.

I find that horizontal space to many times be more constrained. If I toss and IDE and browser window side-by-side so I can code while looking at docs I need to at least close the vertical tabs on my browser to have a sane amount of space left for content. Usually also collapse one of the sidebars in the IDE to get a decent width for the code.

Maybe all non page UI ought to auto hide until a key is pressed for your use case.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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> It seems as if the people in the design team are all working exclusively on 32-inch Apple XDR Pro Displays. Makes me think of the complaints in video game text over the past few years and how it had become so small as to be nearly unreadable on normal TVs at normal viewing distances. The natural assumption here is that the game devs were doing all their work inches away from large fancy monitors not thinking of the…

Size of UI text in general is an issue IMO, especially since it's often hard to configure. Sometimes I just want slightly larger text. Why can't I just set that in Firefox? I need to use some userChrome CSS hack (which, of course, breaks some UI elements), and for other applications it's even harder (I tried looking it up for GIMP and couldn't find an easy solution, but I didn't spend a very long time on it).

Recently I've been playing Baldur's Gate (the Enhanced Edition), and while it does allow resizing the text size it becomes so large that it doesn't fit in many UI elements (most notable, the dialog box). I guess it's better than nothing, but with just a very small amount of effort it could have been much better.

Say about the web what you will, but the ability to resize almost any text is a great feature.

Also I think Windows actually manages all of this much better, where you can just set a text size in settings (I think? It's been years since I used Windows, so not sure).

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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As a UX designer & executive for 30 years, I’ll respond. I agree that UX/UI is sometimes swayed more by fashion than empirical goals in service of the user. E.g., Jony Ive’s sad obsession with flat (featureless) design in iOS 7 is something we are still paying a price for. However, the majority of UX research these days goes into things that are explicitly not in service of the user. Facebook doesn’t want you to be h…

Ah shit is Ive really to blame for iOS 7? The OS and increasingly MacOS feels so dreary, lacking contrast, etc ever since. Animations also never recovered imo

Yeah, it’s true:

https://www.dezeen.com/2013/06/10/new-apple-ios-software-fla...

It’s an awful shame, really. The man’s very talented, but he needed an editor. For years Steve Jobs was that editor, and he was brilliant at it. It was the two of them together that made Apple’s industrial design so damn good.

I agree about animations. I remember reading (probably here :D) a story from an Apple mobile engineer. He was on an elevator and Steve Jobs got in afterwards, and asked his notorious, “What are you working on?” The engineer opened the app on his phone to show Steve, who looked at it for one floor. He said, “Not enough texture,” and handed it back.

That, specifically, is the voice that Ive needed to do truly great work.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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I CMD+R every time and I guess for the amount of time people reload it’s not costly to learn it …

If I CMD+R on Hacker News, it reloads the page. If I do it on outlook.office.com, it starts drafting a reply to the email I have selected. Reload button does the same thing everywhere.

This is one thing I'm grateful for as a Firefox user, I can disallow websites from overriding built-in shortcuts both globally or on a site-by-site basis. I don't believe Safari offers this unfortunately.
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