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Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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A lot get frustrated with the slide but if you disable animations the autohide becomes instant too.

For what it's worth, you don't need to disable all animations to stop this, just the menu ones. https://superuser.com/a/1644831

That's actually a fantastic tip, thanks!

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Ah yes iOS where refreshing a page now requires you to menu dive instead of having an always accessible button up top

Tap the top of the screen and Safari jumps to the top of the page. Pull down to refresh.

That's three steps that used to take one. In exchange for losing the capability to quickly refresh a webpage in a browser we got... nothing?

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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You don't. But why use that space to put the tab bar which DOES require the entire width? Chrome's and Firefox's compromise seems good enough where they stuff everything else to the right and left of the address bar except tabs. This Safari change is just awful

Tab groups are Apple’s solution to having less space for tabs. As a casual Tree Style Tabs user I can see them really working better than one giant mess of tabs.

Honest question. How are people using tabs such that they would want to organise them? Most of my tabs have lifetimes of seconds to minutes and there is no order in the chaos to be found.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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I don't mind it on macOS because of keyboard shortcuts, but I desperately want my refresh and share buttons back in the iOS version of Safari. Pull down to refresh is great if you're already at the top of the page, but when you're at the bottom you have to open a menu just to refresh the page? Overall though I think the new look is fine, and the author is being a real disagreeable crank about the inevitable merging o…

> inevitable merging of iOS/macOS aesthetics Also known as: "The day I dump macOS for Windows." I feel it coming. One thing that's kept me from getting an M1 Mac is that I'd have to run Big Sur. Given that Apple is continuing in this dumb direction my 2015 MacBook Pro running Mojave might, indeed, be the last Mac I ever own. It's too bad too. With the M1 macs they had finally fixed the keyboards.

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Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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As someone else with a small laptop display, I run everything in fullscreen mode, and toggle out whenever I need to use the controls. If you’re hiding the controls anyway, why not just use fullscreen mode? Then, when you want the controls, you don’t need to have them hidden in a bunch of layers, they can just all be there. Hey, whatever if we just made all the browser controls a modal or fullscreen context of it’s ow…

You can't always use full screen, often you need to have multiple windows open next to each other, and that's where minimizing chrome is especially important, because your windows are smaller now but the size of the chrome remains the same.

Multiple address and tab bars next to each other doesn't work well on a small laptop. Separating them works much better.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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I have switched back to Windows because macOS is like a second-class citizen in Apple :-/ I am programmer with many Bash scripts in macOS. But the switch is quite smooth actually (thanks to WSL 2).

With the similar price of M1 iMac, I can buy a Windows with a much better GPU (for gaming, deep learning, mining, or whatever) and a 140+Hz monitor. With a high refresh rate monitor the UI is so silk smooth. Expect iOS level smoothness when scrolling web pages.

However there is something I still want a solution. Say the continuation of the current website (between Edge and iPhone). Password synchronization and Notes (the official iCloud web Notes is almost useless).

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Lots of people saying that they like the new Safari, and lots saying that it sucks.

This is why we need customizable UI. Everyone's laptop is different and everyone's preference is different. Firefox suffers from a similar issue. Of course more customizable UI isn't an easy task, but it would probably be good in the long run to develop a more customizable general-purpose GUI framework.

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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I vehemently disagree that vertical space used is negligible. Due to standard aspect ratios, the vertical space of the display is at a premium. 1920*1080 means you have 840 less vertical pixels than horizontal - it makes a lot of sense to me to try to reclaim some of that space for actual content instead of widgets.

Which is why it makes it so strange that no browser designers seem to get that the way to go is to stack tabs in a vertical list instead of horizontally. It would use more space but the space is in less demand so it wouldn't matter anyhow. So until the browser designers get a clue I will be stuck with Firefox and the Treestyle tabs plugin which is the least horrible solution for people that use a lot of tabs.

If you are on Mac and want to try a new WebKit based browser, Orion comes with native vertical tabs.

https://browser.kagi.com

Re: Safari 15 on Mac OS, a user interface mess

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Things like the tab bar and the reload button are not mere "widgets"; they are the core UI elements. They are the single most important part of the app. This is simply a bad call. I'm all for saving vertical space whenever possible. But this is a bad call.

The single most important part of the app is the content. I would be interested to see a version where the tabs and url bar roll up to one line if you have the space (few tabs, large monitor), but wrap to two if you don't (lots of tabs, small monitor).

I’ve been using a vertical tab bar on the left in Firefox for a while, offers many tabs and lots of vertical space
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