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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

yup - this one kills me too. I'll have multiple VMs/docker images up and running all week and discover my dev machine sitting there with a fresh login prompt. A hard, not scheduled by me, reboot is absolutely unacceptable.

here's the thing, though.

microsoft has watched people in the past NEVER update their operating system for whatever reason. too much of a pain, "no need", can't deal with the outage caused by a reboot, whatever.

microsoft has also been blamed quite voraciously for "insecure" operating systems allowing worms to spread, when patched systems don't even get infected.

so, because MS is damned if they do, and damned if they don't, Microsoft has chosen to "do" and keep people patched up.

oh the horror.

the culture of blaming Microsoft for things that you or your installed applications do is the cause for this attitude Microsoft has about users not knowing what's good for themselves. THEY DON'T KNOW WHATS BEST; Not when it comes to security. We as users have demonstrated this over and over again.

So MS err on the side of caution, and essentially force updates.

and, yes, Microsoft change things, for reason(s) that you are not aware of, because either a new feature requires a change in a supporting subsystem, or because they believe they've discovered a better way to do something, or through extensive user testing they have discovered a better UI paradigm. or maybe just because they want to.

look, things are NEVER going to remain the same from year to year. your "the good old days" were someone else's "this new stuff sucks so much, why did they change it, it was fine" and that will be true so long as humans use things others create.

sometimes the decisions Microsoft makes are good. sometimes they are bad. yes, the correct decision FOR YOU is crystal clear FOR YOU, but guess what? other people exist, and what's best for them is something else.

so the majority get better representation. positively and negatively. I hate many decisions Microsoft has made, and I recognize that there is no way to please everyone. It is amazing to me how many people do not understand this.

(in this entire comment, I am using the royal "you" and I am not talking about any specific individual.)

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Well maybe this hot new OS will finally let it's users make files named "PRN" or "CON" https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/windows-10-still-wont-let-you-...

Or allow you to scroll the contents of windows that aren't currently selected.

Win10 has added this actually. It was a great feature for me coming from Win7.

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Neither Win7 nor Win10 crashes on me, but the whole "user experience" has been such an inconsistent mess after Win7, even though Win10 tried to undo the worst UX sins of Win8 it's still a far ways off from Win7. It's as if the Windows team is trying to throw random shit to the wall to see what sticks instead of trying to do slow and steady improvements. Apparently Win10 has some serious improvements over Win7 under t…

Win 7 doesn't handle high dpi properly, doesn't have secure boot, storage pools, usb 3 (IIRC), DX12, face unlock, etc. There is quite a lot of UX stuff that has changed since 7.

Most of those are what I described as under-the-hood-changes though.

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Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

I've been using various Linux and BSD flavours as my main desktop OS and also at work for over 15 years now and never had any major issue such as the one you describe. So now what are we going to do? How do we decide who is right and who is wrong? I don't understand these types of comments, if an alternative doesn't work for you then you keep using what you were in the first place. There's no problem here. What exact…

Do you carefully curate your hardware? Only purchase from a very limited selection and don't use advanced hardware features (biometric authentication, for example)?

Those are loaded questions, I'm quite sure I know the answers (yes and yes).

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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yup - this one kills me too. I'll have multiple VMs/docker images up and running all week and discover my dev machine sitting there with a fresh login prompt. A hard, not scheduled by me, reboot is absolutely unacceptable.

here's the thing, though. microsoft has watched people in the past NEVER update their operating system for whatever reason. too much of a pain, "no need", can't deal with the outage caused by a reboot, whatever. microsoft has also been blamed quite voraciously for "insecure" operating systems allowing worms to spread, when patched systems don't even get infected. so, because MS is damned if they do, and damned if the…

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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It'll probably just be "Windows" and will continue to be updated every 6 months like Windows 10 currently is. I think this was the intention with Windows 10 anyway, hence the "last version of Windows" stuff. I wonder if this next version of Windows is an attempt to throw off some of the bad rap Windows 10's gotten with the "forced updates", unpopular Start menu design, ads on the lock screen, bundled shitware games,…

I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

I recreated this feature ad-free with a Powershell script: https://github.com/gregoryjjb/fake-spotlight

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Same. No need for the Microsoft account, although it is tricky to find.

Some wonderful mid-brightness blue text on a dark blue background.

Any chance the ADA or similar legislation can be dropped on them for that?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

And OS settings scattered around multiple places (control panel vs settings), forced rebooting every 10min, resetting your default apps regularly, trying to prevent me from creating a local account, and for most of the life of windows 10 a broken start menu (locking for a long time, inconsistent search results), cortana. I am personally convinced that the windows developers all use macs and are not bothered by these…

By far, the most effective tactic I've found for controlling those update-triggered reboots is quite simple:

Set your wifi as metered.

That's it. It'll tell you about updates, but not auto-download them, until like 6 months or something have passed. It'll even actually fail to download them sometimes, even when you click the download button... but un-metering easily fixes that.

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I really wish I could get the rotating nature image on the Lock Screen without the ads. I think Google hangouts used to do this and I really enjoyed that aspect. I think Google hangouts possibly linked to Google+ photos, but they were more tasteful about it. I don’t even know what the Windows Lock Screen ads are for, but they feel in my face. Certain attempts to log in to Windows will also open Edge.

You can disable all the ads. Though it does require digging through the settings.

You used to be able to with registry hacks, but those hacks don't work anymore.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Hmmm. Their customers for Windows are large orgs -- enterprises, universities, governments. This is going to drive them crazy. Again.

I often wonder if this is why it has never felt great for the actual users. That it is too compromised by the need to satisfy enterprise clients and home users.

Apple is pretty good at ignoring enterprise demands and I think it shows in their products.

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