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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by zozbot234 »

StargazyPi wrote: post #335
slibhb wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are universalizing your lived experience. This invalidates the lived experiences of other people, who differ from you. Ironically, misapplication of moral universalizing is what leads people to be bigoted against trans people in the first place.

But wouldn't the experiences of an actual trans person be much more relevant to this discussion than our cis asses? We're never going to have experiences of our own that can inform our judgement on this, so shouldn't we just listen to and trust trans people to work out how to best to make their way in the world?

More relevant than the experience of a single cis person? Quite possible. More relevant than actual hard data reflecting the collective experiences of a large plurality of trans folk, with relevant variation in such factors as e.g. age and social milieus? No way.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by favorited »

Droobfest wrote: post #150
Traster wrote: post #47

I've got to assume that the bannings are being done by Aimee as the new admin, because I can't imagine that anyone else at reddit would be so unfamiliar with Reddit that they would think this is a good idea. Look how much shit Ellen Pao got, and she was basically doing a decent job. I can't imagine this is going to go much better.

Ellen Pao was the beginning of the large scale decline of reddit. She might've done a decent job according to the owners, but I can't imagine much users agreeing with that assessment.

A lot of the things that Pao got blamed for publicly were decisions made by Ohanian and the board. In fact, her predecessor said that she was opposed to most of the controversial changes but was forced to implement them.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by lamontcg »

true_religion wrote: post #317
minusSeven wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess they don't understand streisand effect. If you explicitly ban people will follow that rule but what happens when people get around by using some made up name different from original. Are admins going to read every comment on the platform to uphold this rule?

I believe they just don't want it to be talked about on their platform. They're not trying for general censorship. In fact, the person's name is already listed in newspapers.

Pretty obviously what happened is they've had incidents in the past where a blogger would publish an article on one of their employees and then redditors would start spamming that article on reddit to dox them -- in a coordinated action so the blog article was written for the purpose of doxxing the employee.

So they have a bot which bans links to article which mention reddit employees by name which hands out auto-bans to prevent that behavior.

What went wrong was that the code didn't have any allowance for newspaper articles, or somehow incorrectly classified that article.

That problem being made more difficult because the definition of what is a "news site" or "journalist" these days is vague.

This sounds like its the same category of problem that Memphis was with twitter.

And its a bit odd that this technology-oriented site is getting caught up in the political outrage and entirely missing the fact that a bot did the bans and that reddit acted to revert those actions. Do we now think that programming and algorithmic bugs never happen and that the outcomes of algorithms are always deliberately premeditated actions and never unintended consequences?

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by morpheos137 »

eplanit wrote: post #11

Not dystopian sounding at all: Please do not name this individual, at all. Doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not ask further questions about this, as doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not discuss this incident on Reddit publicly or privately (e.g. on private subreddits and/or in private messages, chat etc.), as doing so may result in your…

Reddit is an Orwellian shitshow. When you are an IRL public figure you lose your expectation of privacy when you are engaged in public controversy that is discussed in the press.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by rorykoehler »

howinteresting wrote: post #339
rorykoehler wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a perspective you may find interesting. First I don’t support or attack trans people specifically. I just think people should live and let live so in that regard I do support trans. I have and do socialise with trans people on occasion and we get along fine. With that out of the way I would like to highlight that through ignorance I have many questions about trans. These questions stem from purely curious thou…

I'd recommend reading Julia Serano's Whipping Girl to start. I'm also happy to explain transness in detail to the cis people I know and trust in real life. Perhaps get to know a trans person among your friends, family or coworkers, and build enough of a relationship with them that they trust you. I generally don't do it on internet forums because of the range of responses I've gotten in places like this thread.

Thanks for the book recommendation

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by idisagree »

eplanit wrote: post #11

Not dystopian sounding at all: Please do not name this individual, at all. Doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not ask further questions about this, as doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not discuss this incident on Reddit publicly or privately (e.g. on private subreddits and/or in private messages, chat etc.), as doing so may result in your…

What did you expect? People fostered this environment, did you really think it was going to just stop at some arbitrary point? Now that there's a child abuse coverup involved now we all care about censorship? Give me a break.

The sjw mob created this situation. Reddit is a known hive of ideological extremism.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by morpheos137 »

stickfigure wrote: post #262

The ELI5 context for those (like me) that were very confused: Aimee Challenor is a trans (MTF) woman who was very active in UK green party politics. She appointed her father as an official in her election campaign after he had been arrested for rape and torture of a 10yo girl. For which he would subsequently be convicted and sentenced to 22 years. Adding additional color to the narrative: Aimee Challenor is very acti…

Reddit only hires the best. Did anybody prove out the u/maxwellhill hypothesis yet?

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by morpheos137 »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #185
underseacables wrote: post #8

Identity politics has become a shield and weapon for bad behavior - how dare you question me you must be a bigot. Whoever can gain the public’s attention first controls the narrative.

I read this on Twitter recently: "The reason why so many extremely woke people turn out to have been bigoted in the past is because bigotry used to be the best way to bully and intimidate people, but now performative anti-bigotry is the best way to bully and intimidate people. An evolving toolset for sociopaths." https://twitter.com/shantmm/status/1364992332064378880 To me, that's one of the best explanation of what…

Performative anti-bigotry is just bigotry afterall.
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