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Post by matchbok »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

Such a lazy, and hateful attack. Your post doesn't belong here.

We're talking about terrorism here, and your first reaction is: "But what about BLM?!?" They have nothing to do with each other. Your assumption is that people didn't condemn the violence this summer. They did. You just choose to ignore it so you can keep your political nonsense.

Get a grip.

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Post by mindslight »

root_axis wrote: post #270

This has very little to do with technology. This is a culture war, and after the capitol riot the culture has shifted to openly reject the losing ideology. Conservatives are right to fight the threat of censorship because there's always a possibility this could slide out of control, but the rest of society is right to push back until they decide to drop the election fraud lies that are tearing this country apart.

As someone who is sympathetic to both cultures, this has been painful to watch. Now that it's time for the powers that be to punish the red tribe, the blue tribe is all too happy to join in the authoritarianism - eg feigning outrage at the gallows (ignoring the guillotine symbolism of the past year), assertions that speech must be policed, and calls to take right-wing terrorism "seriously" (meaning attack red tribe protests with the same zeal as blue tribe protests).

Really, the government is demonstrably out of control from its charter, the economy has been coopted by the bankers, the deep state is a thing (for better and for worse), and the ruling class gives no shits about We The People. When asked in the right way, grassroots of both tribes seem to agree on these things! But rather than having any consensus, the division is stoked by journalist clickbaiters and other political hacks.

The tech angle is how such nonsensical propaganda took over the red tribe so strongly - why they went "full retard" with the covid self harm and election theft hoax, well past the expected fomented-division of hating on BLM and "antifa" bogeyman. Some of that is surely due to the charismatic conman figurehead, but not all.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by tareqak »

mooseburger wrote: post #296
tareqak wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg > Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001,[5] his final day in office.[6][7] She was charged, served some of her time (16 years of 58 years is 27.586…

Doesn't appear to be a pardon, which involves the conviction being expunged. Commuting a sentence means more like "you have been punished enough, but we were right to punish you". A pardon is "we were wrong to punish you".

Oh sorry, you are correct. The president commuted her sentence. I got confused with pardons today.

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Post by ta1602267597 »

at_a_remove wrote: post #92

I recently found out that on May 30th, there were numerous Secret Service members injured in a BLM/antifa attack (oh, scratch that, "peaceful protest") on the White House. I briefly wondered why I hadn't heard about that, then I chuckled at my own naivete. Of course, one might ask how that was coordinated, but then it was a peaceful protest, so who cares?

I particularly appreciate Sam Harris' take on the event in light of the prior BLM protests : https://samharris.org/podcasts/230-insurrection-lies/

It's interesting he notes the ripple effects BLM protests in the capitol coming to head here. ~28:03 in the podcast

>[00:28:03] It could be something that reaches all the way to Trump, or it could be due to the fact that the mayor of D.C. didn't like the heavy handed federal response to the BLM demonstrations that happened in D.C., in particular when Trump orchestrated his photo op in front of the church. So ironically, it could be a fairly woak mayor is resistance to heavy handed policing that left the capital undefended. That would be amazing to have that be the underlying cause of what is now being alleged to be proof positive of the truth of white supremacy and white privilege governing law enforcement in this country.

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Post by sokoloff »

cogman10 wrote: post #265
s__s wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it happened, there was a reporter on CBC talking about how it was common knowledge in DC for a long time that there was a protest planned there. So indeed. The real question is why was there seemingly no preparation to handle it.

Yup, that's what really stinks about these protests. You could go to several social media sites and see the 6th plans. It was incredible to see so few Capitol police guarding the capitol. Further, the fact that they didn't employ things like tear gas sooner was incredible. They just sort of let the rioters through the weak barriers they setup. Security HAD to have known this was coming. This wasn't some secret plot.…

The winds that day were fairly strong (looked like 15+ knots, with many of the flags being fully horizontal). It seems like tear gas would be relatively ineffective as a crowd-dispersal agent in strong winds.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #266
alwaysdoit wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously. No one took them seriously. Until the Capitol was attacked. The Feds are starting to roll up high ranking militia members, so hopefully they learned their lesson this time.

>Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously.

Tell that to Ulysses S. Grant.

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Post by mgkimsal »

throwaway_6142 wrote: post #331
dgellow wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The protest was planned, that’s for sure. But here the context is the attack, not the protest.

Can somebody explain, since this was a long planned coup attempt against a Capitol that has its own police force, in a capital that has one of the largest and most heavily armed police forces in the world, why did the guncrazy far right militants leave their guns at home? And instead behaved mostly like an out of control protest with a few dozen violent rioters? It is a very peculiar way to attempt to overthrow a gov…

I suspect they thought there'd be more complicity or active support from the police/guards. bringing your guns out in the open directly would have been too visible a giveaway up front, giving people time to react/block.

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Post by simonh »

tomp wrote: post #325
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #267

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Compared to other DC protests, the absence of preparation was the preparation. Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed.

> Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed. Or massively & publicly fail... if we’re trading conspiracy theories.

Fail in what way? I mean they didn’t actually overthrow the government or string up Pence, but their penetration and looting of the Capitol buildings was incredibly successful.

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Post by [deleted] »

marcusverus wrote: post #31
ardy42 wrote: post #8

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> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

>That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny, and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). I would love to see a source for this claim.

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