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First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by dm319 »

bstar77 wrote: post #330
ryandrake wrote: post #328

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Same thing happening on this side of the pond. It's been reported that approximately 50% of Americans say they definitely or probably would refuse a vaccine [1]. And the trend over time is more and more are planning to refuse. Seems fitting that in a place where we can't beat the virus because of people who refuse to distance and wear a piece of cloth over their face, it's possible we won't even be able to beat it wi…

Outright refusing the vaccine is absurd, but refusing at this phase of the distribution is not.

A lot of people are slightly skeptical/worried about the safety here in the UK. These aren't anti-vaxxers. More 'you first'.

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Post by harambae »

minikites wrote: post #298
briefcomment wrote: post #98

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Can someone explain why it’s not enough to just vaccinate people who want to get vaccinated? Doesn’t that cover everyone who wants to avoid covid19?

For the same reason everyone who buys a motor vehicle has to buy one with a catalytic converter. The actions of every individual affect society as a whole.

Because we can't be bothered to go after cruise ships? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19016428

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by dm319 »

mcv wrote: post #334
ryandrake wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing happening on this side of the pond. It's been reported that approximately 50% of Americans say they definitely or probably would refuse a vaccine [1]. And the trend over time is more and more are planning to refuse. Seems fitting that in a place where we can't beat the virus because of people who refuse to distance and wear a piece of cloth over their face, it's possible we won't even be able to beat it wi…

Sometimes it really sounds like there are people who just want everybody to die. Something completely different that I just can't help thinking about this year: I used to play Warhammer as a kid, and that game world has 4 forces of Chaos that threaten to tempt and corrupt people: Khorne was about violence and bloodshed, Slaanesh about kinky sex, Tzeentch about secret power, and Nurgle about disease and decay. I could…

I always find it weird that sex gets equated to other negative things like this. Same for TV/film ratings. And yet these days, even kinky sex, is pretty low risk.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by bagacrap »

n4r9 wrote: post #327
officialjunk wrote: post #314

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the pfizer vaccine doesn't prevent infection, but does save lives by preventing severe symptoms, which is why at-risk groups are prioritized. the vaccines that actually prevent infection are still being developed. 2022 sounds realistic for that, if not a tad early.

What do you mean it "doesn't prevent infection"? Trials showed vastly reduced infection rate amongst people who'd had the vaccine.

It prevented symptomatic covid, but we still don't know if it prevents transmission of the virus itself. It might just turn you into an asymptomatic spreader.

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Post by ericb »

officialjunk wrote: post #314
ulfw wrote: post #253

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If they don't want it, I'm more than happy to fly to the UK to get it. Hong Kong doesn't seem to want to vaccinate most people before 2022 https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic...

the pfizer vaccine doesn't prevent infection, but does save lives by preventing severe symptoms, which is why at-risk groups are prioritized. the vaccines that actually prevent infection are still being developed. 2022 sounds realistic for that, if not a tad early.

> doesn't prevent infection

My understanding is not that it doesn't, just that this hasn't been proven yet.

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Post by spyridonas »

officialjunk wrote: post #314
ulfw wrote: post #253

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If they don't want it, I'm more than happy to fly to the UK to get it. Hong Kong doesn't seem to want to vaccinate most people before 2022 https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/artic...

the pfizer vaccine doesn't prevent infection, but does save lives by preventing severe symptoms, which is why at-risk groups are prioritized. the vaccines that actually prevent infection are still being developed. 2022 sounds realistic for that, if not a tad early.

Aren't all the vaccines from all the companies designed as mRNA that teaches/instructs the body how to kill the virus ?

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by h_anna_h »

bserge wrote: post #269
SlateBlate wrote: post #59

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Why is this comment getting downvoted? seems like a fair question. I've seen this now in several threads where even questioning side effects of the vaccine gets downvoted and looked down upon like they did something illegal. This is not HN I used to know.

I'm just going to write it: There's always going to be a minority that's shafted by the medical community, we don't matter as long as the majority benefits (fair enough imo, except I can't do shit even if I sign up to absolve everyone of responsibility and take it all on myself). There will be side effects, they will be dismissed by doctors, people will be marginalized, called uneducated morons and pushed towards mor…

Please elaborate about what you said regarding Europe. There are many radically different health systems in Europe. NHS can't be compared at all to the Greek health system for example.

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Post by h_anna_h »

natex wrote: post #285
J-dawg wrote: post #266

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Thanks for that. And you're right, I hadn't seen that document before. But concerns absolutely are being dismissed. I've personally listened to Matt Hancock and other ministers doing it. The idea that someone might want to wait just a little longer to see if any side effects emerge is not necessarily irrational. Would you not concede that, if and when any unexpected side-effects do emerge (however rare or insignifica…

> The idea that someone might want to wait just a little longer to see if any side effects emerge is not necessarily irrational. In general, yes it is irrational. There is evidence that the benefits of vaccines (including this one) far outweigh the risks of side effects. > Would you not concede that, if and when any unexpected side-effects do emerge (however rare or insignificant), this gung-ho attitude will backfire…

"60,000 people in the UK have already ended due to this virus" how accurate is this? I do not know about the UK but here (Greece) they asked family members to sign that their relative died from covid when dying from something unrelated otherwise they are not allowed to retrieve the body for weeks. They also count 80-90 year olds that died as covid victims.

Re: First person receives Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine in UK

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Post by jackson1442 »

bserge wrote: post #269
SlateBlate wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this comment getting downvoted? seems like a fair question. I've seen this now in several threads where even questioning side effects of the vaccine gets downvoted and looked down upon like they did something illegal. This is not HN I used to know.

I'm just going to write it: There's always going to be a minority that's shafted by the medical community, we don't matter as long as the majority benefits (fair enough imo, except I can't do shit even if I sign up to absolve everyone of responsibility and take it all on myself). There will be side effects, they will be dismissed by doctors, people will be marginalized, called uneducated morons and pushed towards mor…

I'm hearing people asking "what if there are some horrible side-effects 10 years down the road?" which appears to be a reasonable concern.

However, we don't know the side-effects 10 years down the road for COVID-19. I, for one, am far less concerned about potential vaccine side-effects than I am about known lung scarring and whatever potential side-effects could emerge from COVID-19.

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Post by minikites »

harambae wrote: post #342
minikites wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the same reason everyone who buys a motor vehicle has to buy one with a catalytic converter. The actions of every individual affect society as a whole.

Because we can't be bothered to go after cruise ships? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19016428

Why is your reply framed as an exclusive "or" choice?
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