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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by SilasX »

nrmitchi wrote: post #339
SilasX wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you just need booster seats for 7 y/os, which simply lie on top of the OEM seat without risking this kind of incident, right?

I have 0 experience installing a booster seat in a Ferrari, but frankly I would expect any form of child seat to be installable without risking this kind of incident. I don't have the knowledge to get into any specifics about this. The point is just that there are plenty of valid use cases for having a child seat in a Ferrari.

On that point, I completely agree.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by parliament32 »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #310
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #137

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Agreed, I also really dislike this frequent misuse of the term "bricking". Bricking used to mean getting your device into a permanently unrecoverable state, but these days I see it used so often as just to mean "I can't turn it on right now".

Bricking has never had a solid definition. The most useful definition is a product is bricked when the owner does not have the skills/time/money required to get the product in a working state. The product is a brick to them. If you flash bad firmware on a device and overwrite the bootloader used for flashing, many would consider this a bricked device since they don't know how to use an SPI flasher to restore a workin…

>Bricking has never had a solid definition.

Yeah, the definition is "turn it into a brick"/paperweight, hence the name. A "brick" in unrecoverable, as the name implies.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

parliament32 wrote: post #342
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bricking has never had a solid definition. The most useful definition is a product is bricked when the owner does not have the skills/time/money required to get the product in a working state. The product is a brick to them. If you flash bad firmware on a device and overwrite the bootloader used for flashing, many would consider this a bricked device since they don't know how to use an SPI flasher to restore a workin…

>Bricking has never had a solid definition. Yeah, the definition is "turn it into a brick"/paperweight, hence the name. A "brick" in unrecoverable, as the name implies.

Unrecoverable is relative. If I wipe out the bootloader on a phone its unrecoverable because I don't know how to flash it directly to the chip and I don't have a copy of the bootloader to even flash. Its a brick because I will never be able to use the device again. If I send it off to the factory in china they could certainly restore the device to working condition again but it would cost more than a new device if they even accept my one off job.

If a DRM system triggers on a car and I can't disable it its now bricked if the dealer won't come and fix it.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by tatersolid »

novok wrote: post #332
tatersolid wrote: post #304

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> We are just lucky we live in a world where even 'hackers' don't go that low. Unfortunately they do go that low. There have been multiple murders committed by ransomware gangs attacking European and US hospitals in recent months. Example: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/patie...

That's more spray and pray damage then a specific hack on hospitals.

Modern ransomware attacks do recon and exfiltration for weeks or months before pulling the encryption trigger.

The attackers knew it was a hospital network and clearly didn’t care that people would die.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by archon810 »

oconnor663 wrote: post #132
nrmitchi wrote: post #107

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Someone who has both a child, and a Ferrari.

"This baby can go zero to sixty in three seconds flat."

A performance Tesla can also accelerate to 60 under 3s, and with proper warning to hold their heads, my young kids love the rush.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

umvi wrote: post #172
lozaning wrote: post #79

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>The fact that the manufacturer can remote into their cars, does not automatically mean that the car is vulnerable to remote hacking If your car can connect to the internet it's vulnerable to hacking via the internet. My car, which is incapable of connecting to the internet suffers no such potential for abuse.

Theoretically if the systems are properly decoupled and airgapped than the hacking surface area should be quite low. You might be able to hijack the music coming through the speakers, but you should never be able to control the brakes over the internet. In real life is that what actually happens? Sadly, no. Car companies seem to make a lot of bone-headed systems engineering design decisions (such as having a computer…

Something that is connected to the Internet is, by definition, not airgapped.
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