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Re: Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be searched, court rules

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #272
52-6F-62 wrote: post #55

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Wow. The only time I ever had to go through something like that was working for Ferraro/TicTac in Brantford during the summer when I was a student. We would have our lunch bags randomly searched as we passed through the outer security gate on our way to parking. Bloody TicTacs. They would leave snacking items or seconds in the break room for people to eat if there were any—just don’t walk off the lot with a half pack…

My brother worked at a Cadbury chocolate factory for a while. They had a "take as much as you want, whenever you want, for personal/immediate family" policy. That was because they discovered that most people, after a week or two of free-for-all binging never wanted to eat another bar of chocolate in their life, and so the company's costs were near zero.

My grandfather worked for Cadbury/Nelson for years!

While he was still there we got some amazing Easter baskets as kids.

And that's a pretty great assumption. From what I understand they were a great group to work for.

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Post by unethical_ban »

mdszy wrote: post #319
megablast wrote: post #131

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That is way unfair to the company, when you will have certain people who are 'happy' to travel 1.5 hours each way. This seems insane to me, but there are plenty of people who do this and see no issue at all. How would a company hire local anyway, by rejecting candidates who live to far away? What if they promise to move, but don't end up doing it? > Work with cities to reduce congestion? The only real working way to…

>That is way unfair to the company oh no, the poor poor companies ;((((((

There are about 100 reforms to the worker-owner relationship, but I don't know that "paying workers for travel" is one of them. In order for it to be somewhat reasonable and not completely abused one way or the other, you would have to look at worker wages and compare it to living options in the area of the workplace, and about five other things I could brainstorm but don't feel like enumerating at the moment.

I hear things are pretty bad in the bay area and other metropolises that have high rent and low wage. Something should be done but I'm not sure this is it.

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Post by Piskvorrr »

dboreham wrote: post #265
FriendlyNormie wrote: post #53

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Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

You could have bought your machine via craigslist next day for a nice discount then cancelled the order.

Which would not raise any red flags at all, while also not painting a target on you marked "cui prodest".

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Post by stefco_ »

yardie wrote: post #326
stefco_ wrote: post #259

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Amusingly enough I've had that method fail while ordering an iMac a few years ago. I requested delivery-with-signature on a $4k iMac and it got delivered to another house three blocks away. They didn't ask for the signature (though they were supposed to); they just left a $4k computer on the curb. It was marked as delivered. I'm lucky to have an honest neighbor who brought it to my doorstep (no thanks to Apple and th…

That's the couriers problem then. If a signature was required for a $4k item it's contingent on them to get it into the receiver's hands. Your neighbor saved you and the courier a great deal of money. Apple would have filed a claim and sent you another $4k iMac that UPS/Fedex/DHL would be paying for.

From a liability perspective you’re probably right. I just mean it’s Apple that picks the courier, and that that solution to delivery can fail in basically the same way as store pickup (as happened to me).

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Post by Piskvorrr »

leetcrew wrote: post #337
Klinky wrote: post #251

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So you're saying "he's ordering it wrong"?

I see what you did there. in all seriousness though, yes? if you have to wait for the item to be shipped regardless, why would you order it to a store instead of your front door? it's the worst of both worlds.

The trustworthiness of last-mile delivery could have something to do with it.

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Post by Piskvorrr »

m000 wrote: post #313
antris wrote: post #288

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Watches definitely aren't obsolete. Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches. Well-made watches from known brands with a heritage keep their prices very well, even during economically difficult times. If you look at a mid-level luxury brand such as Rolex, you can invest $8000 for a watch that has a great track record in keeping its value: https://imgur.com/0XeTVg5 And that's not even a top-level…

> Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches. Uhhhmmm... Not many? And those who wear, it's either an apple watch or some cheap utilitarian model. > I'd love to have access to great watches for a lower price. Expensive watches require regular service to retain their value. Let's see how it will work when Rolex asks you for $1000 a piece for your briefcase full of watches. I can see many owners of…

The point of most tools is their utility. Are you saying that in a watch, telling time is just a side effect?

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Post by kube-system »

bluedino wrote: post #298
tjakab wrote: post #213

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Anything worth over $500 is going to automatically require a signature on delivery, so little chance it’ll just get tossed off the truck.

Ups will leave a brand new MacBook Pro on your front lawn at 8 at night

When my MacBook was delivered, FedEx gave me a call when they found I wasn’t at home and asked if I would prefer they drop by my office instead. I told her I was already on my way home, and she said she’d stop by again in about 30 minutes.

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Piskvorrr wrote: post #346
m000 wrote: post #313

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> Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches. Uhhhmmm... Not many? And those who wear, it's either an apple watch or some cheap utilitarian model. > I'd love to have access to great watches for a lower price. Expensive watches require regular service to retain their value. Let's see how it will work when Rolex asks you for $1000 a piece for your briefcase full of watches. I can see many owners of…

The point of most tools is their utility. Are you saying that in a watch, telling time is just a side effect?

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Post by sneak »

toxik wrote: post #305
soperj wrote: post #97

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>ripped $20 bill This is a hilarious problem to anyone who has been using polymer bills for nearly a decade.

Just use cards. They don't tear. -Scandinavia

https://www.wired.com/2010/12/realtime/

https://www.wired.com/2012/07/wikileaks-visa-blockade/

Blanket, universal surveillance as well as zero-burden-of-proof government point-and-click seizure/disablement is the cost.

You cannot have a free society without a payment system that the government or a few large banks do not have the ability to arbitrarily censor, even temporarily.

You can not communicate or organize anonymously (for example, for political organization or government corruption investigative journalism) when every payment you need to do so is logged as a matter of course. These activities are not common, but essential to a free society.

The ability to transact in things the government does not like, without their knowing about it, is a cornerstone of freedom. Many other human rights crumble if you do not preserve it.

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Post by sizzle »

FriendlyNormie wrote: post #53
jrockway wrote: post #15

> Employees are supposed to find a manager or security officer to do the searches after they clock out. Employees estimate that waiting for and undergoing the searches can take five to 20 minutes, or, on busiest days, up to 45 minutes. This also seems to be their process for picking up orders at the store. It's pure chaos, and I find it at least somewhat amusing that at least Apple treats their employees and customer…

Does Apple really have a “process” for picking items up? I ordered a maxed out iMac Pro for around $15,000 and waited nearly a month for it to finally arrive at the store. I got a voice mail and an email instructing me to come pick it up. Only upon driving all the way to the store was I finally informed in person that they “accidentally” gave my iMac Pro to the wrong customer an hour ago who had merely ordered a base…

"was recently interested in buying a maxed out Mac Pro for 50k+.."

Wow what do you do that requires a $50k computer?

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