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Stamping Out Online Sex Trafficking May Have Pushed It Underground

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Post by abfan1127 »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #305
abfan1127 wrote: post #295

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the metric I use is mutually consenting? Do both parties consent to the agreement? Then it should be legal. Do I consent to trade XXX for YYY with a company or other individual? Does the company/individual consent to trade YYY for XXX? I don't consent to murder, rape, or kidnapping of myself, nor do I consent to do those to others.

Unfortunately this doesn't take into account some nuances. For example: A homeless, jobless woman who engages in acts of prostitution simply to eat is consenting technically, but most would say this situation shouldn't exist. But marriages do happen all the time for economic reasons...

Shouldn't exist? If its really her only option, who are you (or anyone else) to take it away? Unless its not really her only option, then who are you to take away her choice?

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

abfan1127 wrote: post #341
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately this doesn't take into account some nuances. For example: A homeless, jobless woman who engages in acts of prostitution simply to eat is consenting technically, but most would say this situation shouldn't exist. But marriages do happen all the time for economic reasons...

Shouldn't exist? If its really her only option, who are you (or anyone else) to take it away? Unless its not really her only option, then who are you to take away her choice?

What I am saying is X really a choice if the alternative to choosing X is suffering harm, such as starvation, lack of shelter, etc.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

overcast wrote: post #304
dnddbduehbehdbd wrote: post #302

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I am GP. I’d liken it to the difference between cooking and going to a restaurant. There are benefits to both. I do date and I do enjoy it. But sometimes I want something specific, just the way I like it. If I just want a 5’7” redhead with larger than C cup breasts tonight, I can have it. That’s not what dating is like. Recently after hearing a lot about “eating ass” I wanted to know what it felt like. I texted an ag…

Thank you for the honest response, this is exactly what I was looking for. It makes sense now for those type of use cases. My train of thought was going only down the avenue of desperation.

Those sad souls on the avenues of desperation probably aren't frequenting 4-500 ladies. They're picking up broken, abused, and now more likely to trafficked, girls for a $20 5 minute blower in a McDonald's parking lot.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

saddestcatever wrote: post #284
commandlinefan wrote: post #257

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> the kind of look that makes women swipe left. I'm too old for dating apps, so I've never used one, but don't nearly all women swipe left (that is, reject) something like 80-85% of men on these apps?

I don't have the numbers on hand, but it's likely even more drastic. The original blog post has long since been deleting ( https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0... ), but according to one of the OKCupid founders: > [Women] rate a whopping 80% of men on the site as ‘below average’. You can imagine that people aren't swiping for "average", so the selected percentage would be even less. Link: http…

It's hard not to. The average actor you see on TV is >8. If you show someone a subset of a population to represent the majority them you'll cause them to expect that. Which is my hypothesis behind why 80% of women are vying for 20% of men. I think, in general, men are more willingto compromise on appearance than women.

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Post by pests »

stevenwoo wrote: post #300
overcast wrote: post #172

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Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

My understanding from reddit comments on posts that show up in /r/all, almost all the NSFW photos not from pornography that make it to the front page are from escorts, and the /r/tinder success percentage for males is less than one percent for all but the super hot so I could see how some might give up on the time investment in online hookup culture for a sure thing.

There is tons of non-escort NSFW content on Reddit or on /r/all. You are probably just a the victim of their (now successful) marketing efforts.

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Post by dang »

FussyZeus wrote: post #219
overcast wrote: post #172

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Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is your use case for paying for sex? Married? High powered executive? I can't imagine paying for something that is easily free on a million different dating apps.

You talk about this in such a way that makes me think you're a virgin. In the odd event you're telling the truth, I'm guessing you're rife with STDs. I can see lots of benefits with just paying for it. They show up, do the thing, and leave. You get to determine when and where (mostly). You get an enthusiastic partner regardless of the effort you yourself put in, and exactly the sort of sex you want. If I had the mone…

Personal attacks like this are obviously not allowed on HN. We ban accounts that do that. No more of this, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by hiram112 »

taxicabjesus wrote: post #68
hiram112 wrote: post #49

I think the most unmentioned facet regarding prostitution is that for many men, prostitution may be the only way for them to obtain sex, which I feel is just as much of a "right" as is the right for women to obtain an abortion. No I don't believe taxpayers should be required to pay for prostitutes, nor for abortions. But the market for both should be decriminalized. Not only is this something that is morally right, t…

> and some version of polygamy becoming more normal Polygamy arises spontaneously in societies where lots of men get killed off by wars. As soon as the M/F ratio normalizes polygamy goes away. Fake-polygamy is like early Mormonism, where the proselytizers actively sought large numbers of women to rapidly increase the size of their group. Mormon polygamy mostly went away because of the numbers problem: it is unsustain…

> With all this talk about legalizing prostitution, I think it appropriate to point out that lots of women are engaged in legal prostitution already, it's usually just called "acting". Some women pretend they're interested in a man, but they're more interested in their wallet ('trophy girlfriend/wife').

Haha, as I've gotten older, this seems more and more accurate. I'm not saying it's all about money, but more like women are interested in one set of benefits a man provides, and men are interested in another set, and they're not necessarily inclusive.

I've traveled and lived in several different countries. Some of them seem less interested in pretending it's all about Disney, partners forever, and are more relaxed about relationships being mutually beneficial without all the pretense (i.e. women that are essentially offering sex and companionship in exchange for financial support, and the amounts wanted are openly negotiated. I almost prefer that to the courtship rituals we use in the West.

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Post by jfengel »

mrguyorama wrote: post #326
jfengel wrote: post #251

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In my experience, I had better luck than he did, though not by orders of magnitude. 3,000 swipes per date seems high. I'd guess it's closer to 1,000. But he makes it sound like deathly drudgery, and I think that's missing the point. It's "gamified" to give you bits of positive feedback. Matching feels good, like a little compliment. One doesn't have to enjoy that; not every game is for everybody. And the process itse…

The fact of the matter in Tinder for men is: if you aren't a 9.5 or 10, your chances quickly approach zero. Let a sister or female friend swipe for you sometime and watch how literally any small and random thing is an excuse to swipe left. Women have the freedom to be picky on dating apps, and they absolutely are.

I assure you, I am not a 9.5, and I did very, very well on Tinder. I'm not actively ugly, but there are plenty of small things a woman being picky would reject.

I swear, I should make a career in fixing people's dating profiles. Though the hard part is fixing their attitudes about women, which is the real thing holding them back. If I could fix that, they'd know how to fix their profiles.

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Post by 3131s »

k__ wrote: post #180
3131s wrote: post #41

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Why is that making sex workers lives harder?

If they have to follow more laws, their work gets harder. If prostitution was just decriminalized, their work would just have been easier, it would have been a normal job like every other job.

I can't understand what you are trying to say. I think you're confused about what these terms mean.
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