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Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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> They're accusing him under a law that would not allow him to present any motive for what he did Yeah, rape doesn't need motive.

Please don’t do that here. We’re not talking about rape. We’re talking about the espionage accusations.

Not really. It was the arrest warrant for the rape charges in Sweden that kept him confined in the Ecuadorian embassy.

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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Please don’t do that here. We’re not talking about rape. We’re talking about the espionage accusations.

I thought the news was about Sweden dropping the case of rape.

Well then you've clearly not been following the discussion and are just provoking. Do your reading first please.

Edit: yes, this news item is about the rape allegations. BUT Assange had long been stating that the US were preparing a secret indictment under the espionage act, something that has turned out to be 100% correct, even though the US administration kept denying (read: lying about) it.

They never intended to give him a fair trial, there were never any indications they would, and since his indictment has become public, it is clear as daylight they won't.

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Skipping bail on charges he believe were fake is a crime, yes. If we was so sure of the charges being fake then he should have let them judge him.

Maybe he didn't trust the judge/court to fairly judge him?

It is still a choice he could make (and did), which is more than many have.

It is great that people are speaking up about the conditions under which people are punished and the no-win games that put them there. I only wish people could do so when it isn't some high-profile person.

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Unless it means that those attacks that the intelligence community prevented will take place.

No one has demonstrated net positive value from the intelligence community.

We have proof that every intelligence in the world is working to undermine our freedoms, so it's easy to speculate (with some degree of certainty) that if others have their own agencies you need to have yours, to counter theirs.

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Among other things, one would certainly have to exclude any country which engages in the mass collection and permanent storage of all of its citizens' communications.

What if the population was ok with that / didn't care?

I guess China is a shining beacon of freedom for it's people too then.

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> "The reason for this decision is that the evidence has weakened considerably due to the long period of time that has elapsed since the events in question." I'm not sure I understand what's meant by this. Did the victims testimony change? How does evidence weaken over time?

Sometimes a rape victim will just want to move on with her life instead of being unfairly smeared as a CIA puppet by a bunch of neckbeards on the internet.

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What makes you think making up charges and constantly threatening to destroy you are not extremely stressful. He has a family too that he's been unable to see properly for a long while. Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake? Clearly, facing deportation to the US is problematic for a number of reasons, mostly that it's impossible for even Snowden to get a fair trial there, let alone…

Skipping bail on charges he believe were fake is a crime, yes. If we was so sure of the charges being fake then he should have let them judge him.

...except Assange would have been transferred to America to stand trial over Wikileaks before he would even have a chance to stand trial over the rape accusations.

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Worth mentioning that Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, visited Assange and described his treatment as psychological torture: > “It was obvious that Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years,” the expert said. “Most importantly, in addition to physical ailments, Mr. Assange showed all symptoms typical for…

You quote: > “Mr. Assange has been deliberately exposed, for a period of several years, to progressively severe forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, the cumulative effects of which can only be described as psychological torture.“ That quote lacked information on who was exposing him and what that exposure actually was, so I followed your source. That source elaborates as follows: > “In the co…

> "arbitrary confinement in the Ecuadorian embassy, to his oppressive isolation, harassment and surveillance inside the embassy, and from deliberate collective ridicule, insults and humiliation"

Not only hyperbole, but it's entirely self-imposed. He wasn't confined to the embassy, he chose to stay there rather than face trial. He chose "deliberate collective ridicule, insults and humiliation" over defending himself against the accusations.

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It's not torture if you can leave at any time. He wasn't being held in the embassy, he was hiding there.

Actually he'd probably travel to a country that would offer him asylum, where he'd be able to live freely, if he was not denied that. So it's hard to say he was not held in the embassy.

Re: Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation

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I like ones with full suffrage for all citizens of age of majority, including criminals. Like Canada.

Canada has a rather restrictive version of freedom of speech.

Sure, but at least it doesn't allow slavery or disenfranchisement.
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