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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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EliRivers wrote: post #185
Zigurd wrote: post #93

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"Ethical cannibalism." Some med student is going to eat a surplus lab-grown kidney, and there you'll have it.

I expect that at some point, it will be possible to grow meat from any given set of human DNA. At this point, I see two things: 1) Lines of celebrity meat. One might be able to look forwards to, for example, an Angelina Jolie steak. 2) Middle class (well, by then the middle classes won't exist - let's just say "rich people") dinner parties in which the hostess serves her guests herself. On a plate. Is it cannibalism…

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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by otterley »

cageface wrote: post #314
rayiner wrote: post #221

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Studies show that children who don't drink animal milk are shorter: https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/milk-children-height-1.414983... ; https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15981182 ; https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/80/4/1088/4690374 Also, "properly nourished" is a weasel phrase here. You see the exact same phenomenon among the U.S.-raised kids of Bangladeshis/Indians/Pakistanis from very comfortable families. The…

Taller is not necessarily healthier. Cows milk is designed to bring a cow to adult size in one year. It has a very different composition than human milk. There is a lot of evidence that feeding that kind of rocket fuel for growth to humans has some serious downsides. Drinking milk in teenage years, for example, raises the risk of prostate cancer by 300% later in life.

Do you have a citation to a peer-reviewed study for this claim?

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Consultant32452 »

cthalupa wrote: post #315
Consultant32452 wrote: post #207

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I once took a survival course and during it I had to kill a rabbit with my bare hands, skin it, process the meat, cook it, and eat it. I definitely wanted to make sure the animal suffered as little as possible, but I was in no way deterred. Most people through human history have killed their own food from time to time. It's not really a big deal.

Yep. I've killed several smaller animals and processed them, etc. Not a huge deal to me. I've yet to kill or process a whole cow, though I've broken down primals/subprimals. I'm not sure how I would do if it was an animal I had raised. If I'm a farmer or rancher with a few dozen or hundreds of heads of cattle, probably no different. If it was a single cow... I might have trouble. Everyone is different, though. Even s…

I don't mean this as an insult, because I think I would be the same way. I think what you described is a very privileged position of someone who has likely never felt real hunger. I acknowledge I might have the same feelings you describe about raising a single animal for food. Particularly for species that are more emotive. But that's because I too have a historically unfathomable variety of options and privilege.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Thorrez »

EliRivers wrote: post #185
Zigurd wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Ethical cannibalism." Some med student is going to eat a surplus lab-grown kidney, and there you'll have it.

I expect that at some point, it will be possible to grow meat from any given set of human DNA. At this point, I see two things: 1) Lines of celebrity meat. One might be able to look forwards to, for example, an Angelina Jolie steak. 2) Middle class (well, by then the middle classes won't exist - let's just say "rich people") dinner parties in which the hostess serves her guests herself. On a plate. Is it cannibalism…

>Lines of celebrity meat.

Check out http://bitelabs.org/

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by cageface »

toight wrote: post #336
cageface wrote: post #331

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I simply take it to be the case that veganism is the flat-earth-theory of 2019. And you wonder why nobody takes your comments seriously. The American Dietetics Association, the largest association of professional dieticians in the world, says vegan diets are healthy and appropriate for all ages: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704 Science is on our side. Who's the flat earther here?

Science doesn't have the multivariate statistical capability to settle the argument yet. Like I said The literature's converging and if dietitians had anything of value to add why are chronic health conditions escalating. I'm betting on the macro ratios of the pre colonial Polynesian diet, Works pretty well for me. And I can do 40 pressups without any training other than the odd walk and grass fed roast lamb is absol…

I agree that we still have a lot to learn about nutrition. What’s not controversial is that you can be perfectly healthy on a strictly plant based diet. Dismissing vegans as flat earthers or vegan diets as pea goo just makes you sound defensive.

Also, the diet you choose has consequences for the environment and the animals you eat so it’s not simply a matter of individual choices. Red meat in particular has a huge carbon footprint.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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cageface wrote: post #311
dsl wrote: post #140

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Eating grazing animals is more humane per unit of protein than industrial crops or factory farming.

It’s not possible to meet even current demands for beef by free grazing animals. There’s a reason 70% of American cows are fed grain in lots. Not to mention the greenhouse gas effect of that many cows, which is much higher for grazing cattle.

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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by cageface »

otterley wrote: post #342
cageface wrote: post #314

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Taller is not necessarily healthier. Cows milk is designed to bring a cow to adult size in one year. It has a very different composition than human milk. There is a lot of evidence that feeding that kind of rocket fuel for growth to humans has some serious downsides. Drinking milk in teenage years, for example, raises the risk of prostate cancer by 300% later in life.

Do you have a citation to a peer-reviewed study for this claim?

Here’s a recent review of science we have on the issue.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25527754

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by aarpmcgee »

Pfhreak wrote: post #108
telesilla wrote: post #77

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I'm with you. I haven't eaten red meat or birds for going on 25 years now and though I do enjoy a good salmon burger, I honestly prefer a beyond burger when I can find one (trying to cut down on the fish, for health and over-fishing reasons).

I still periodically eat meat, as I mentioned I did work with a local farmer to buy a whole beef. But it's something special and deliberate -- should we make one of our roasts? We don't have very many, so each one is precious. We use all the bones we could get to make stock, etc. Try to really appreciate the one animal we've had harvested for our family, but still eat vegetarian or vegan on the vast majority of days…

Harvest is an interesting word choice to apply to an animal. Is this common?

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by cageface »

jakevn wrote: post #297
leekyle333 wrote: post #293

For people that like to eat healthy, how do you feel about eating something as processed as the "beyond burger?" I get that it's nice to have another option but to me it's hard for me to stomach the ingredients especially with canola being the third ingredient.

Processed is not a bad word when it comes to health. What matters are the ingredients. I'm not aware of any consensus on canola being anything but healthy, but am interested in learning more as canola oil is what I use for cooking. That being said, like any meat or meat-substitute, I wouldn't consider it a "health food".

The problem with all oil is that it’s very calorie dense and nutrient poor. A tablespoon of olive oil has 120 calories! And since it’s so calorie dense it doesn’t make us feel full.

This is why I now cook entirely without oil.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by cageface »

ggm wrote: post #324

I've always felt quorn ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn ) got a raw deal. They made some stupid marketing positions, they allowed the agenda to get ramped up around allergy when its ratio of risk is significantly lower than other foods including soy, and they walked into a battery hen issue needlessly. But the fundamentals look pretty good. Its a bioreactor, it scales, it can use varying feedstock, and its good…

A lot of their products contain eggs, which sort of defeats the purpose of making plant based alternatives.
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