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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by soared »

UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #41

>Have committed to $22MM of protein I've never understood this convention and it always causes my brain to short-circuit when trying to read it. Is that $22 Million Monies, or $22 MegaMillions I'm assuming that the shorthand is supposed to be read as: $22 Million So then I spend the next 5 minutes stuck in a feedback loop of what the hell am I supposed to be thinking.

All these replies are from devs and the like who aren't used to how everyone else uses this notation. Everyone in the business world uses MM, it just looks weird because you're not used to it. Different industries use different notations.

If you came to my workplace and used a single 'M' everyone would have the same response here but inverted - how using a single M makes no sense and is inaccurate.

I work in advertising where "CPM" is a common metric (cost per milli). So using a single M still means thousand, will MM means million.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by firethief »

Pfhreak wrote: post #71
bluntfang wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

I'm the first one to admit that the line is fuzzy. I read this story [1] by Glenn Greenwald (of Snowden interview fame), and I realized that I was not ok with gestation crates for pigs, or the practices espoused by the industrial farming of any animal. I do not object to raising animals and eating them, but I do object to essentially keeping them in brutal, squalid conditions. Animals should have access to the outdoo…

That theoretical distinction makes sense to me, but I don't see how it would be possible to support one kind of animal agriculture and not the other with purchasing habits. When most consumers don't distinguish provenance, demand for animal products is fungible.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by PerfectElement »

ZeroFries wrote: post #68
bluntfang wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

If the animal is free from suffering, including lacking awareness of what's happening during the killing, that's as free from cruelty as you can get. If lacking life is what's cruel, then vegetarianism doesn't really solve that problem, since the animal would never be born without farming.

I don't think lacking life has ever been an argument vegetarians use. Once consciousness emerges, there is an innate desire to remain alive and to be free from suffering. Even if we could give animals a wonderful life in our current capitalist system, and then kill them without their awareness, we'd still need to justify (from a philosophical standpoint) why it would be immoral to do the same with a human animal.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by [deleted] »

troydavis wrote: post #9

The version linked to is from 2018. Here's the current version (April 22, 2019): https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1655210/000162828019... Things that stood out: They buy this pea protein: https://www.roquette.com/product-overview/proteins-and-deriv... . Have committed to $22MM of protein (from 2 vendors) Founder owns 6% Co-manufactured by https://www.clwfoods.com/ and http://www.fplfood.net/ (seemingly typo'ed…

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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by 8ytecoder »

dsl wrote: post #86
Pfhreak wrote: post #3

I've gone vegetarian, except for a single grass fed animal I bought from a local farmer. (I live in a city, it was easier than I thought it would be to connect with a farmer out in the rural part of my state.) The transition was way, way easier than I thought it was going to be. I didn't guilt myself when I made mistakes, just stopped eating meat unless I was sure the provenance of it was sustainable and free from cr…

"Published figures suggest that, in Australia, producing wheat and other grains results in: at least 25 times more sentient animals being killed per kilogram of useable protein" http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-ther...

WTF, most animals that are farmed are fed agricultural produce - crops that are cultivated. It's simple math that it's inefficient to grow crops -> feed the animals -> eat the animals. There's efficiency loss at every step. Are you seriously claiming that eating meat is better than being vegetarian?

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by lwansbrough »

UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #41

>Have committed to $22MM of protein I've never understood this convention and it always causes my brain to short-circuit when trying to read it. Is that $22 Million Monies, or $22 MegaMillions I'm assuming that the shorthand is supposed to be read as: $22 Million So then I spend the next 5 minutes stuck in a feedback loop of what the hell am I supposed to be thinking.

ITT: Engineers attempt to armchair-reengineer new standard units for representing millions, billions and so on without understanding the parameters of the problem.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by alangpierce »

ceejayoz wrote: post #12
r00fus wrote: post #7

So I've had an Impossible burger (from my company cafeteria), but it was probably over-cooked. Does anyone know where I could taste-test a Beyond burger vs. Impossible burger? Definitely interested in this space as it's one of the surefire ways we reduce both energy and water, and I have family who are veggie and this makes it easier for me to connect with them.

I haven't found Impossible in my area yet, but this is a big concern for me - trying it out and not knowing if I screwed it up or if it's just not my thing regardless of preparation.

I think that's a reason Impossible has only been available in restaurants so far. (They say they'll be available for retail purchase later this year.) My understanding is you have to be a bit careful when cooking it, so they want to make sure it's cooked by professionals so people get a good first impression.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Pfhreak »

telesilla wrote: post #77
Pfhreak wrote: post #3

I've gone vegetarian, except for a single grass fed animal I bought from a local farmer. (I live in a city, it was easier than I thought it would be to connect with a farmer out in the rural part of my state.) The transition was way, way easier than I thought it was going to be. I didn't guilt myself when I made mistakes, just stopped eating meat unless I was sure the provenance of it was sustainable and free from cr…

I'm with you. I haven't eaten red meat or birds for going on 25 years now and though I do enjoy a good salmon burger, I honestly prefer a beyond burger when I can find one (trying to cut down on the fish, for health and over-fishing reasons).

I still periodically eat meat, as I mentioned I did work with a local farmer to buy a whole beef. But it's something special and deliberate -- should we make one of our roasts? We don't have very many, so each one is precious. We use all the bones we could get to make stock, etc. Try to really appreciate the one animal we've had harvested for our family, but still eat vegetarian or vegan on the vast majority of days (90-95%+ of our meals are probably vegetarian these days.)

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by gamegoblin »

codezero wrote: post #84
gamegoblin wrote: post #31

I am an omnivore, but deeply interested in meat substitutes. Before trying the burger by Impossible Foods, it was my opinion that the patty by Beyond Meat was definitely the best. I am a big burger consumer, and I tend to rank the various substitute burgers on a scale that indicates how satisfied I feel afterwards, and how accurate the imitation is. I felt like the Beyond Burger was 8/10 in terms of being as satisfyi…

Interesting take. I've always said Impossible tastes more like meat, but has a bad texture match, and Beyond tastes less like meat but has a better texture. With that said, I think the flavor and quality of Beyond is higher, for me. Impossible still hovers around low-grade, poor texture ground beef. I want them both to be successful because the more options we have the better. I think Impossible is likely to be more…

Have you tried the Impossible 2.0? It's noticeably better.

I agree that preparation has a huge impact on quality. I once had an Impossible 1.0 that was so badly prepared I ate 1/3 of it and then gave up.

I am wondering if Impossible will come up with a specialized cooker (imagine a waffle press sort of thing, but for burger patties) that will automate temperature management and cook time in order to reduce variability. But I assume their final goal is to just make their substitute cook exactly like real beef.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by bronson »

ZeroFries wrote: post #68
bluntfang wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

If the animal is free from suffering, including lacking awareness of what's happening during the killing, that's as free from cruelty as you can get. If lacking life is what's cruel, then vegetarianism doesn't really solve that problem, since the animal would never be born without farming.

> If lacking life is what's cruel

Nobody's arguing this, are they?

If you do believe this, then I hope you're breeding rats, rabbits, and insects as fast as possible!

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