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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by wolfgke »

ForHackernews wrote: post #333
pacificmint wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or doesn't at least C) clearly explain what the policy is. You want to require ads on channels over x views, make that your policy. But these guys have priority support, and still go around for months with youtube without getting any answers, only to then have their whole channel killed without comment. Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths?

> Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths? Support doesn't scale. Better that a million users have a terrible experience than one user takes up staff time getting their problem fixed.

> Support doesn't scale.

If you cannot (or don't want to) scale support, create the policies from beginning in a way that hardly needs any support. Just like you plan your database from beginning how it is supposed to scale.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by alex_duf »

INTPenis wrote: post #286
gargron wrote: post #17

Side note: PeerTube is part of the same federated network as Mastodon. You can follow Blender's PeerTube account from Mastodon by entering @blender@video.blender.org into the search bar and clicking follow on the result!

Wow that really gives me more hope. I know ISPs have a bad rep in the states but where I live in europe we still trust some of our ISPs. So I'd like to see a world where ISPs offer mastodon and peertube instances to off load privately hosted instances. I'd be more likely to trust someone I'm already paying monthly for internet access to keep my social media data safe, than a "free" service.

I don't think it should be ISPs that should offer such services. I got bitten once back in the days when I had an AOL email address. Changing ISP then became a complete mess, and unlike changing mobile phone provider you can't port your email address to a different hosting company.

So I think whoever provides these services (Identity, email, Fediverse node) should be independent from the ISP, and allow you to use your own domain so that you can change provider one day

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by welly »

scrollaway wrote: post #327
welly wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised why anyone is surprised by this or thinks it should be any other way. Google is running YouTube as a business and they're running it the way they believe will be the most profitable. For some reason, people are still hanging onto a belief that Google cares about its users in ways other than to profit from them. Of course, it could well be that people aren't surprised and are just highlighting the Google…

It's not particularly surprising given how shitty youtube's behaviour has been towards its content creators lately. It's just a reminder that nobody should accept it. Kind of like sometimes a president's behaviour isn't surprising, but still deserves to be highlighted and nobody should accept it.

A fair comment. The only way people can refuse to accept their behaviour is by not giving YouTube their business (by either visiting the site or submitting content) and who's going to do that? It's YouTube :-/ It's their way or the highway (or Vimeo)

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by asax »

paulie_a wrote: post #336
cvwright wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eventually this is going to get them in trouble with the Sherman Antitrust Act. From Wikipedia: > "Innocent monopoly", or monopoly achieved solely by merit, is perfectly legal, but acts by a monopolist to artificially preserve that status, or nefarious dealings to create a monopoly, are not. The purpose of the Sherman Act is not to protect competitors from harm from legitimately successful businesses, nor to prevent…

No that will absolutely never happen, ever. Sorry to burst your bubble. It isn't even in the realm of possibility, spotting Bigfoot riding the lochness monster is more realistic.

Why? Honest question. You seem very certain, so you can probably explain?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by paulie_a »

asax wrote: post #344
paulie_a wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No that will absolutely never happen, ever. Sorry to burst your bubble. It isn't even in the realm of possibility, spotting Bigfoot riding the lochness monster is more realistic.

Why? Honest question. You seem very certain, so you can probably explain?

Honestly no. It's incredibly obvious. There is no need for a detailed explanation of why Google will never face a 1930's antitrust lawsuit. It's simply not in the realm of reality. It was barely possible in the 90s.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by paulie_a »

bad_user wrote: post #321
Endy wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time. Pay them for no ads? Nope, that's why I have Disconnect, Ghostery, uBlock Origin, and some userscripts enabled along with a fairly extensive HOSTS file.

Well, people like you are the reason for why we can't have nice things.

Low quality advertising is why we can't have nice things. Google and Facebook are Kings of that.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by dosshell »

Wait, is it really solved now? I get the following error for many videos:

> This video contains content from BlenderFoundation. It is not available in your country.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kes2qmijy7w and all other videos in "Blender Fundamentals" playlist.

I'm located in Sweden.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by thisacctforreal »

dosshell wrote: post #347

Wait, is it really solved now? I get the following error for many videos: > This video contains content from BlenderFoundation. It is not available in your country. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kes2qmijy7w and all other videos in "Blender Fundamentals" playlist. I'm located in Sweden.

Same error and message in Canada.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by jobigoud »

ariwilson wrote: post #338

The comments here are more interesting than the article itself. Looks like the real issue was a UX snafu on YouTube's part that support had trouble resolving for too long. Let's hope YouTube does better in the future. However, if you read the comments here, they paint a sinister portrait of YouTube that has nothing to do with Blender's issue. Some examples: - ads are required for big channels (false) - demonetization…

This is because this issue with Blender is just a cherry on top of a multitude of issues with YouTube that have crop up for the past few years. So the thread is about the impact of YouTube algorithms.

I have myself found it pretty hard to publish videos without ads on YouTube, even though I have a minuscule channel.

Their Content ID system is triggered for almost any background music I throw at it, including Royalty Free or CC-BY music. The insidious part is that the videos are not taken down, they just put ads on top of it while you try to refute the claim, even if you tick the "I do not want ads to appear" box. The problem in this instance is anyone can upload a piece of audio and claim copyright on it, and video are then automatically flagged.

There is an interesting support thread about paid-for, Royalty-free classical music, that shows how outrageous the system is: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/iMlPy...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by watt »

ForHackernews wrote: post #333
pacificmint wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or doesn't at least C) clearly explain what the policy is. You want to require ads on channels over x views, make that your policy. But these guys have priority support, and still go around for months with youtube without getting any answers, only to then have their whole channel killed without comment. Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths?

> Why do so many tech companies have these Kafkaesque exception paths? Support doesn't scale. Better that a million users have a terrible experience than one user takes up staff time getting their problem fixed.

I don't understand if you truly believe that or are trying to be sarcastic (poorly).
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