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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by bad_user »

Endy wrote: post #308
bad_user wrote: post #297

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Because they allowed it until now and it's been years since. Changing their policies now hurts non-profit organizations like the Blender Foundation and is in effect a bait and switch . Google is using at this point its monopoly to coerce their partners and users into accepting whatever the heck they want. Personally I don't understand them. This is clearly about a very popular channel that is bringing them eyeballs.…

>Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time. Pay them for no ads? Nope, that's why I have Disconnect, Ghostery, uBlock Origin, and some userscripts enabled along with a fairly extensive HOSTS file.

Well, people like you are the reason for why we can't have nice things.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by simion314 »

voltagex_ wrote: post #310
toomuchtodo wrote: post #29

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Blender serves as an optimal test case for other large non-profits with online video content that Google may push off YouTube (would love to see PyCon move their archives off as well). Discovery and subscriptions will need to be solved, but that’s not insurmountable (ie RSS). CDNs can be plug and play in front of nginx (if P2P torrent isn't your cup of tea), backend storage can be whatever is cheapest.

I really want a competitor to YouTube. But when it works, the experience as a user is Really Good (tm). 1. YouTube Red so I don't have to see ads 2. Queuing and casting from my phone to my TV. 3. Fast loading and buffer-free streaming (as long as your bandwidth is good enough). Note I'm in Australia - Mixer and Twitch often aren't smooth for me even though I'm on 100 megabit fibre. Sydney or Melbourne PoPs will beat…

What will stop Google to buy the next big video platform, US and EU did not stop them buy YT or FB to buy Whats App, if a competitor would show up the only way it could survive would be to be bought by MS,FB or other large company, this could lead to bad products or bad customer/user relations since this big companies are not known for their good customer support or caring for the users experience.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by welly »

scrollaway wrote: post #177
Applejinx wrote: post #11

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I made a video about this in January, before YouTube strongarmed Blender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ksbTTXHw8 I am pretty dismayed to be this right. I didn't think YT would be nearly this aggressive in service of the ideas I outlined. Basically, they take a cut off that activity. In some cases they could take most of or all the money, which is a clear win for them, but even when they pay out they're earning r…

There's more stuff like this happening these days. Saw this tweet yesterday: https://twitter.com/AnneMunition/status/1008852515629105152 YouTube preventing Linus Tech Tips from advertising their non-YouTube videos/streams. In other words, like you said: > Bottom line: shots fired. You must work with YouTube the way they want you to work with YouTube, or you'll get punished.

I'm surprised why anyone is surprised by this or thinks it should be any other way. Google is running YouTube as a business and they're running it the way they believe will be the most profitable.

For some reason, people are still hanging onto a belief that Google cares about its users in ways other than to profit from them.

Of course, it could well be that people aren't surprised and are just highlighting the Google's behaviour towards certain channels.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by OskarS »

krolley wrote: post #302
etatoby wrote: post #299

From Google's point of view, the Blender Foundation are the bad guys. They host a very popular channel on their servers, using up a lot of bandwidth, storage, and resources, they don't pay a cent to the hosting provider, and on top of that, they actively try to prevent their content from paying up for itself. I don't see it as shocking that Google is forcing them to enable ads. What I find surprising is that Google d…

This is a totally fair point. But wouldn't it make more sense to either (a) continue to pay the hosting costs to stay known as the 'one true place' to find online videos, or (b) allow the Blender Foundation to pay to host their vidoes on YouTube if they want to stay ad-free?

Yeah, I totally agree. It's a very bad look for them to essentially disallow ad-free non-profits if they get popular enough. Given how small of a segment this is (the vast majority of massively popular channels monetize, after all), and the fact that they already have the infrastructure to support it, it should be a no-brainer for them to keep Blender on. The reputation cost is clearly worse than the actual loss in hosting costs here.

However, they're a big company, and it makes sense that they have a policy of "if your channel is big enough, you have to put ads on it to support hosting cost". Making policy exceptions in a big company like this is tricky, and it seems Blender just fell through the cracks.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by Martus »

bad_user wrote: post #321
Endy wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Also, Google, I would have registered for YouTube Red to pay cash for an ad free experience, but you haven't made it available in my country yet and I've been waiting for a long time. Pay them for no ads? Nope, that's why I have Disconnect, Ghostery, uBlock Origin, and some userscripts enabled along with a fairly extensive HOSTS file.

Well, people like you are the reason for why we can't have nice things.

You make it look like they are starving to death there when in fact it's about generating MORE revenue every year despite the costs because this is what Wallstreet expects you to do.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by hellofunk »

foxylad wrote: post #232
Neirin wrote: post #170

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oh no, now I just have even more questions, what is mastodon?

A good replacement for Twitter. Where "good" means: - Decentralised. Anyone can run their own instance, but instances are federated so everyone on any instance can see your toots (Mastodon's tweets). So if you're paranoid about privacy or hate Nazi bootboys, you can run your own instance with complete control. - A nice progression of feeds from only people you follow; to all toots of your instance; to toots from all…

> Polite discourse

Everything is polite at first, until it gets big. This has been true of all social media platforms in history.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by scrollaway »

welly wrote: post #323
scrollaway wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more stuff like this happening these days. Saw this tweet yesterday: https://twitter.com/AnneMunition/status/1008852515629105152 YouTube preventing Linus Tech Tips from advertising their non-YouTube videos/streams. In other words, like you said: > Bottom line: shots fired. You must work with YouTube the way they want you to work with YouTube, or you'll get punished.

I'm surprised why anyone is surprised by this or thinks it should be any other way. Google is running YouTube as a business and they're running it the way they believe will be the most profitable. For some reason, people are still hanging onto a belief that Google cares about its users in ways other than to profit from them. Of course, it could well be that people aren't surprised and are just highlighting the Google…

It's not particularly surprising given how shitty youtube's behaviour has been towards its content creators lately. It's just a reminder that nobody should accept it.

Kind of like sometimes a president's behaviour isn't surprising, but still deserves to be highlighted and nobody should accept it.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by codelord »

codelord wrote: post #281
Endy wrote: post #270

Am I the only one who thinks it would be better if Blender uploaded directly to archive.org or archive.is? As much as it's interesting on a technical level, the fact that PeerTube is by nature decentralized and self-hosted is going to reduce Blender's overall visibility (which is what I think Alphabet/Google wants). Whether Alphabet is still making any money off SketchUp, or whether one of the 3D companies is paying…

What is terrifying about this? Why should Google pay for hosting and distributing your video online forever without making any money? How's that "evil"?

If I didn't know any better I'd think everyone who's commenting on hackernews is running a charity and building products and giving it to the users for free at a loss.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by Martus »

codelord wrote: post #328
codelord wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is terrifying about this? Why should Google pay for hosting and distributing your video online forever without making any money? How's that "evil"?

If I didn't know any better I'd think everyone who's commenting on hackernews is running a charity and building products and giving it to the users for free at a loss.

If I didn't know any better I'd think your didn't even read the comments and your sucking up to your employer and greed have clouded your perception of reality.

You should have known that people won't buy your "poor google is dying under the load of Blender videos" approach. Now that you're faced with the facts you try to dramatize the situation even more. I guess the recruiting standards at google went down rapidly or are you the outcome of this recently abolished recruiting strategy?

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by [deleted] »

Martus wrote: post #329
codelord wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I didn't know any better I'd think everyone who's commenting on hackernews is running a charity and building products and giving it to the users for free at a loss.

If I didn't know any better I'd think your didn't even read the comments and your sucking up to your employer and greed have clouded your perception of reality. You should have known that people won't buy your "poor google is dying under the load of Blender videos" approach. Now that you're faced with the facts you try to dramatize the situation even more. I guess the recruiting standards at google went down rapidly…

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