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The suit is dead except explicitly formal occasions. The global financial crisis killed it. Basically every person commuting securities fraud in the oughts did so while wearing a suit. Think about who you now see wearing suits - bankers, salesmen, and politicians. Occupations that trigger a range of responses from general mistrust to downright loathing. Suits have become a liar's uniform. Whenever I encounter anyone…

The suit is dead except explicitly formal occasions.

Depends on the crowd with which you hang out, I suppose. I dress smarter on holiday than in the office. I'll typically take a cream linen three-piece suit on holiday to wear when the occasion presents (surprisingly versatile - minus the jacket and with shirt sleeves folded up to the forearms, it's basically "smart casual", yet put on the jacket and cufflinks and you're ready for a formal event at an embassy), and the last holiday I took - a week of language lessons in Tokyo interspersed with the usual tourist stuff - I wore a three-piece suit minus the jacket (so the waistcoat and a bright but tasteful tie). As you surmise, you get a different response; the response I get generally isn't "this guy is a liar out to steal from me". Maybe you spend too much time around liars who happen to wear suits.

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Me, it's less work than buying a new one. (Unless the reason for the hole is that the fabric has aged too much - the next hole will open in about a week, so I don't bother.)

Well, OK, but, in general, I think most people don't even know what darning is anymore, let alone how to do it. I've never known anyone to not just throw out socks with holes in them, for instance.

Socks almost always fall into the too-old category though. And they are really easy to buy.

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> It's not that I cannot afford to wear suits. Its that I dont like suits. I think you prove my point (and it's not a bad thing!) Sociology is interesting. A suit is traditionally a sign of "I invest in my clothes and therefore I have self-pride." (It's also a sign that you don't have to do hard/dirty labor.) It seems culturally America has decided that this is out-dated and are choosing to focus less on clothes as a…

My view of suits has always been, "I work in a profession that requires me to wear this symbolic clothing." I've avoided these kinds of careers because I want to be graded on my skill, not my ability to dress well. And suits are uncomfortable, and I like to be comfortable.

As a native of Scandinavia I too have experienced the trend of people claiming their right to be judged on skill rather than background or appearance. Here however, it is often argued that the right to be judged on skill and compatibility, and therefor being able to dress to ones own preferences is earned only when you have proven to be a) greatly over-qualified and b) of a high enough age and/or c) with an ethnicity, gender or other background factors that conform with the existing idea of what a professional in the specific field looks and acts like.

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> Ties, skirts, suits, coordinated outfits, scarves, leather soled shoes -- all are passe, even in button down East Coast Fortune 100 companies (other than for aspiring managers or those in banking/finance). I dunno about that. When I see someone who's wearing decent clothes, I still think, 'wow, that's someone who wants to look good .' But I think that I'm a bit weird — I actually enjoy dressing differently for diff…

Now I am curious — what are programming clothes? I actually think hiking clothes would be awesome to program in — comfortable layers, freedom of movement, durable.. a suit makes no sense for programming; restrictive collars, a tie (!!) and a propensity to wrinkle when sitting. I think you might have sparked a business idea! Clothes for Coders. Couldn’t be any more ridiculous than when Tiesto released a shoe for DJing…

> Now I am curious — what are programming clothes?

For me, slacks & a button-down shirt with an open collar. Not as constricted as a coat & tie or jeans, not as uncomfortably exposed as a T-shirt & shorts: slacks & a shirt feel Just Right™ to me.

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