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House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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> Literally what point are you making? The point I'm making is that I don't think you, or anybody else actually cares about the emails—they care it's something they can criticize Clinton for. Before her, nobody gave a shit. After her, nobody will give a shit. They don't matter, except that they can be used to criticize Clinton. So of course nobody complained about it with Bush, because nobody cares about them. > I su…

I served in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was held to a high standard in regards to OPSEC and security around classified information. Being as careless or purposely negligent as she was would have gotten me or anyone else court martialed. Hillary Clinton is a grown ass woman. She knows what she'd doing. She held a position of high responsibility, that deals with highly sensitive intel that impacts many facets of national s…

He's not talking about Powell's actions, where Powell recommended that Clinton use a private email. He's talking about the Bush administration, who avoided any email controversy on their private email server simply by deleting all 22 million emails.

None of them broke any law, as laid out by Comey, who is famous for bashing heads with politicians. The law was executed by Comey faithfully and there was no crime to prosecute.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Couple of points -- (1) Colin powell's leaked e-mails apparently called the meetings a circus and a sideshow but also placed blame at the feet of HRC for outcome of that episode. that last bit isn't always quoted in the media. (2) The leak to the NYT about the server that broke this story appeared has been originated by the Obama administration. They were seeking to clip her wings as whispers about her policy differe…

Do you have a source for #2? It defies belief, why would Obama clip the wings of his likely democratic successor, knowing that a Republican presidential would endanger Obamacare and several other major achievements of his administration?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clinto...

Cites obama admin source

byline By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDTMARCH 2, 2015

24 hours before

Netanyahu’s Full Speech Before Congress, Mar. 3, 2015

http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/10000000354782...

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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> "As a PST file or exported MSG files, this could be done though, yes? > The issue is that these emails involve the private email address of someone you'd recognize, and we're trying to replace it with a placeholder address as to not expose it." From the way it reads it looks like he is asking how to bulk remove an email address from the archived messages so when they are turned over they don't contain the redacted…

The removal of private email addresses should be left to the State Department who was in charge of releasing those emails. In the emails released so far, Clinton's actual address has been removed from the To: field (physically, as in it was whited-out) as is at least one name from the From: field http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/pdfs... But I could see this as a result of incompetency, that is,…

I think people are being way too harsh on this guy. Most people make a habit of using the same username everywhere and it's not a problem until there's a sudden national interest in every cat photo they've commented on.

2 years ago it wasn't even clear that HRC would run, let alone that her emails would become such a large and specifically scrutinized aspect of the campaign. Yes, it would've been better if Combetta had the foresight to avoid this sticky situation, but I don't think it's reasonable to claim he's incompetent because of this quite unusual confluence of events.

His two mistakes were using a known username and calling attention to how "VIP" his VIP was. Some people will say the only purpose for the latter is to brag, but I disagree. People on online forums are frequently both hostile and caustic. A likely response to his question would be "Tell them you can't do that". Combetta's emphasis on the VIP's stature was a pre-emptive attempt to get the help he needed without bickering about whether or not he had authority to shut down the request. Since that was obviously not on the table for a sysadmin trying to earn a living, he needed to make it clear that he was dealing with orders originating from well above his pay grade.

People will also say Combetta should've known this was illegal, which I think is silly too. HRC is a laywer. Everyone in politics is a lawyer. There is no intrinsic moral compass around email retention policies, and even if you say "Hmm, that doesn't sound fair", well, we all know that the law isn't perfect -- unfair doesn't make it illegal per se, and none of us would be employed if we had the full moral latitude we'd like to decline employer requests (for example, there's a good argument that modern marketing as an industry has deep moral flaws, but how many companies can afford not to market themselves? There's a lowest-common-denominator factor that drags everyone down. The option becomes indigence or compromise, accepting that everything is not necessarily as we'd like it to be).

If your client is a bunch of lawyers, and you're an IT guy (not a lawyer), and you work for a contracting firm that treats this like a legit request, you're going to assume that what they're asking is legal. Unless something is fundamentally and blatantly immoral (and I don't believe specific sniggles over email retention laws are), I don't think he should be blamed for complying with the directives issued by his clients and allowed by his firm.

This is an embarrassing time for Combetta, to be sure. Let's not unjustifiably heap it on. As far as I'm concerned, he should be fully covered by respondeat superior.

I say all this as someone who is probably going to vote for Trump and thinks that HRC should be prosecuted.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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What's not to like about "What's Aleppo?" Gary and his RINO running mate?

That Aleppo thing is a total joke. If our foreign policy wasn't a complete joke, there would be no need for the President to know anything about Aleppo. As it is, it's still questionable if there's any reason for him/her to do so. Keep in mind, Johnson is running for President, not Chief Cartographer.

There's just something off putting about having a president that doesn't keep up with current events.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Why would that be the case? How do you think the law works? Just because the President breaks the law doesn't magically change the law...

Honestly, I don't know the applicable laws very well (or at all). This was just an honest question. Given all the contention over the HRC email thing and specifically over this reddit revelation, I'm not so sure that the situation we have is clearly defined within the laws (otherwise why wouldn't everything be clear cut and decided already?).

The law behind the mishandling of classified information is from the 1950s and is mostly outdated.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudenc...

What is clear however, is that judging Clinton's mishandling of emails as a crime, when only one person in a hundred years in completely different circumstances has been prosecuted for the same crime, would be unprecedented.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/07/heres-...

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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I'm confused about what you're trying to point out here, but if there's a question I'd be happy to answer.

How did the thread suddenly drop below the fold? How was the thread marked as 254 points on the home page and at the same time 312 inside the thread? Thanks

The thread dropped because users flagged it.

The 254/312 isn't what I'm seeing and ought to be impossible given how the software works. Can you reproduce it?

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Realistically, given how little exposure third party candidates get, there's no chance of any third party winning this year. Most voters don't even know they're running. Thus, it becomes a choice of 1) making a symbolic vote for a third party to "show them", 2) helping Clinton win, and 3) helping Trump win. Given the potential outcomes of Trump vs Clinton, a lot of people believe (rightly, IMO) that this electoral cy…

Doesn't this get said every single election, though?

Yes, it does. The difference is that this time it's actually true. And I say this as someone who was rooting for Ron Paul back in 2012.

Unfortunately, because this argument was abused so many times before, it's hard to convince people that this time is different.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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You haven't been paying attention. Yes, pepe was fine, and yes many people who post it do so with no ill intent. But you are ignoring that people who are proudly racist are openly admitting to using pepe specifically to broaden and popularize explicitly racist ideas. That deserves to have light shown on it.

Does it? What does it prove? Why does shining the spotlight on self-proclaimed Internet racists actually accomplish? Especially seeing as how much of the racism seems to mostly be in service of attention-seeking? What do you get out of proving that self-proclaimed racists [do x], as a small subset of people who [do x]?

It helps motivate others to help keep their standard-bearer out of the most powerful office in the world.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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Realistically, given how little exposure third party candidates get, there's no chance of any third party winning this year. Most voters don't even know they're running. Thus, it becomes a choice of 1) making a symbolic vote for a third party to "show them", 2) helping Clinton win, and 3) helping Trump win. Given the potential outcomes of Trump vs Clinton, a lot of people believe (rightly, IMO) that this electoral cy…

Given the potential outcomes of Trump vs Clinton, a lot of people believe (rightly, IMO) that this electoral cycle is not a good time to make symbolic gestures or long-term strategic voting games. Too much is at stake. And a lot of us believe (rightly, IMO) that both Clinton and Trump are so equally bad, that there's no effective difference. Me personally, if Gary wasn't in the race, I wouldn't cast a vote for Presid…

Clinton may be corrupt and sleazy, but the country can survive 4 or even 8 years of that - it did many times before.

Whereas 4 years of a sociopath with megalomania, a definitive authoritarian streak, and a massive populist backing, I'm not so sure about.

Let me put it this way. As a third party supporter, your strategy, presumably, is to slowly accrue vote until your candidate of choice (or really, anyone who's willing to reform the electoral system to make third parties viable) breaks past the barrier. This presupposes that there is such a thing as elections, though. Say what you want about Clinton, but there's no viable threat from her in that regard. She might be prone to skirting the rules, but she doesn't rewrite them. Trump, on the other hand, seems to be a fan of the "strong hand". Last time my country of birth went for that, we ended up with a dictator in all but name. And the parallels between what I heard people say there then, and what I see people in US say now, are making me very nervous.

Re: House panel looking into Reddit post about Clinton's email server

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There was a criminal investigation, and a freedom of information request. So yes, according to the courts, they WERE able to forcibly make her turn over the emails.

Later on, but not at the point here. He could delete all her private emails here if he wished.

you raise the point: where in the timeline of subpoenas or other legal requests does the attempt at modifying the email archive, does Combetta's post fit?

My understanding: Combetta's post comes 1 day after Hillary had reached an agreement about turning them over.

So was she dealing in bad faith with the govt? To be determined I guess?

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