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I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by megablast »

sjenson wrote: post #324

Nearly all of the comments here are missing the point of this blog post. The author likes Progressive Web apps, they are important to him. He's moving to Android because it supports the web better. That's it. This isn't iOS vs Android and it certainly isn't web vs native. Yes, the article is critical of native apps (and the app store) so I can see how you'd go there but it's a distraction. I see this article as an"I…

Yes, but he sure did waffle on quite a lot until he got to that point. There was a lot of words with little reward in the beginning.

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by zippergz »

sjenson wrote: post #324

Nearly all of the comments here are missing the point of this blog post. The author likes Progressive Web apps, they are important to him. He's moving to Android because it supports the web better. That's it. This isn't iOS vs Android and it certainly isn't web vs native. Yes, the article is critical of native apps (and the app store) so I can see how you'd go there but it's a distraction. I see this article as an"I…

The title invites debate about the platforms and pros/cons thereof. If the title were about progressive web apps, I suspect the entire discussion here would be different.

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by [deleted] »

vecinu wrote: post #127
Swizec wrote: post #102

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> Cars also followed this pattern, come to think of it. I remember my dad complaining all through my youth about how the more modern that cars get, the less serviceable you are. That in new cars you need special computers just to tell them that yes, you did fix the problem and the car can stop complaining now. 10 years later ... man, if I have to even think about opening the bonnet and poking at something, I assume t…

> Maintainability is the feature of unreliable equipment. Not quite. The whole purpose of maintenance is to increase the longevity of a product by making small, cheap, tweaks to complex parts that can fail due to wear and tear. Everything lasts longer if you maintain it. A good knife, a high performance vehicle, a good pair of shoes, a couch, etc ... I don't know of any product that is "as good as new" after years of…

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Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by frostymarvelous »

sethd wrote: post #229
lern_too_spel wrote: post #214

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You mean like all the Apple apps you can't remove on iPhones? The difference is that on your Nexus 7, you can disable the HP Print Driver, so you never see it, while on your iPhone, those Apple apps are going to keep taking space on your home screen and continue to waste battery and data on updates.

That is true to an extent but the key difference is that on iOS they are Apple apps, not third party. We you buy a device that comes with third party apps that are not removable it feels like you just paid for an advertisement.

And on Samsung, we have Samsung apps. Double standard? Yes, not all of them are Samsung apps but those are mainly what Samsung users rile them for. Once again, you are not forced to suffer this. You have the freedom to get out of this. In your case, you DON'T!! ! And that's why Apple fans will never get it. We do have a lot of crap on Android just as you! But the thing is, we don't have to suffer it! We have the freedom to change this! That is why Android remains a superior platform. You get to choose your experience!

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by sehr »

mastazi wrote: post #330
kalleboo wrote: post #63

My main exposure to Chrome web apps is Hangouts on Chrome for Mac and half the time I shut it down and choose to use the native app on my phone instead due to the poor, non-native UI and the battery life impact of Chrome. edit: the other shiny Google Web App example, Google Docs, doesn't work either. In Safari it likes to drops keys, and the last time I used it in Chrome (last autumn), it would either crash the whole…

> Every web app I've used has required a painful sign-up process, which is usually where I bail out of the process. Way more friction than an app store install. Support for password managers like LastPass is one of the areas where Android shines compared to iOS. Also, you seem to imply that most apps downloaded from the app store don't require a sign-up process. I beg to differ. And I note that the sign-up process is…

For what it's worth, iOS and OS X both have Keychain built into them, basically LastPass but blessed by the OS.

ex: http://imgur.com/YJXCWxz

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by soperj »

jonknee wrote: post #328
pteredactyl wrote: post #225

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Good post. And that's why if I ever by a car it'll be older and not require a proprietary computer sensor to maintain. That and I have a hard time with the new "smart" driving technology. I was in my friend's Subaru last week and it beeped anytime he did anything remotely out of line...

> Good post. And that's why if I ever by a car it'll be older and not require a proprietary computer sensor to maintain. If that day comes you should find a way to secure it because almost all older cars are very easy to steal. Those computer bits make new cars much more difficult to snatch.

Except when they steal your dongle signal and use that to open the door and start the car.

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by macintux »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #212
butThenThis134 wrote: post #128

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> Buy a nexus, and it's as clean as it gets. Until it gets infected with malware that requires a firmware reflash to close: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/03/rooting-bug-in-andro...

This vulnerability was already fixed for Nexuses by the time the article was written. The exact same thing has happened for iPhone. People forget that to date, a far higher percentage of iPhones have actually been infected with malware than Google-flavored Android phones due to XcodeGhost and that actual Google Android devices like Nexuses have an even better security record than that.

> a far higher percentage of iPhones have actually been infected with malware than Google-flavored Android phones

Citation desperately needed.

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by rictic »

odbol_ wrote: post #334
itp wrote: post #7

Wow. I'm a long time Android user and probably pay more attention than most, and I had no idea web apps had gotten quite this nice. Currently the only web app / web shortcut I have installed is the HackerWeb app[0], which is nice but clearly not taking advantage of all of the functionality it could. I "installed" Flipkart Lite and the Voice Memos demo app to see the state of the world. Clearly it's possible to build…

I read the post, then looked up ServiceWorkers and this progressive web app stuff, and it doesn't seem that useful. You don't have access to files, or hardware (Bluetooth/sensors), or notifications, so what's the actual use case? It seems like it's just a way to be able to make cross-origin requests in a browser. Can it even do that? Seemed like it had a bunch of security considerations that make even that not useful…

Service worker supports notifications: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/push-notif...

The primary use cases for service workers today are robust offline support and notifications. More generally service worker gives you broad and very fine grained control over your app's use of the network. Service worker itself doesn't give additional cross-origin request abilities, except by giving more control over caching.

Web Bluetooth is still a work in progress, but you can try it out: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/07/interact-w...

(disclosure: I work on this kind of stuff for Google)

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by XJOKOLAT »

rdtsc wrote: post #196
_kp6z wrote: post #70

I did the opposite and can't believe how much better my life had gotten because my iPhone is just a simple tool that I use for communications and don't think about it as a project. With Android, I always wanted to tweak silly things and run Cyanogenmod because the handset firmware was always so bad and vulnerable. On several occasions I'd bricked my phone requiring hours of recovery, or had transient failures of cell…

I got a cheap-o Moto G for $170 3 years ago and love that thing. It is small 4" only, got reasonable updates (up to 5.1 now). It is simple to use. Yeah Google owns my life, but I wouldn't feel better if Apple owned it instead. Never felt the need to tweak hardware, or run Cyanogen and others. Once I wanted more memory for my music. But then deleted some of the music I didn't want and was fine. Best part if I sit on i…

Am in the same boat ... Moto G (3rd gen) has been the best decision of my mobile life for a long time.

Stock android, waterproof, swift, solid (I've dropped it an unbelievable amount of times (my HTC's didn't survive even one drop)).

The UI is absolutely fine. Nice and clean and quick. And I concur, don't need to fiddle with anything.

Brilliant phone. I'll have it over an iphone or Sammy £500 phone in a second.

Re: I switched to Android after 7 years of iOS

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Post by bottled_poe »

ywecur wrote: post #243
stcredzero wrote: post #97

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What you're saying is that you left the freedom of your device to jail yourself into simple interface...? Actually, this is a pattern that many products follow, as they evolve from a newly tinkered thing pioneered by enthusiasts to a mature consumer device. There is much more "freedom" in 80's and 90's audio equipment. (And markedly higher build quality. Bargain stuff I bought as a teenager is now lauded on ebay as t…

I don't understand why this is seen as required. A Nexus phone if very modular and easy to use.

Unlike the HN readership, most people don't want to think about the tech. They just want to get things done, and are willing to pay big bucks for that convenience.
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