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Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by spotman »

ploxiln wrote: post #211
kup0 wrote: post #173

I wasn't sure what to expect from VSC, especially going into it I was worried that it would just be a MS-branded, bloated version of an already-slow Atom. My expectations were completely wrong, though. VSC is not bloated or slow. It's well-made. There aren't really any negative MS-flavored conventions as far as I can tell. This isn't MS Office (which I guess has its place but has gone off the deep end, IMHO). It look…

Only losing market share and power has made Microsoft produce software with reasonable quality, flexibility, and interoperability. A lot of the credit for that goes to Apple's crazy climb in popularity. But at least some of it also goes to technologists involved in networking, the internet, and the web, many of whom decided never to deal with any Microsoft stuff ever again. If you knew the frustration of Microsoft's…

While I certainly shared your frustration, I do think that MS had some extremely talented folks there.

Some of the brightest people I have ever had the pleasure of working with came from MS.

Incompetence was far from the problem. Priorities out of order would be one diagnosis.

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Post by simoncion »

gcb0 wrote: post #333
dbattaglia wrote: post #296

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Honest question: how many people from the embrace-extend-extinguish era are still at Microsoft? Once they are all gone, and the market has shifted several times since then, you would think that era would be over for them. Or, is it just deeply engrained in their corporate culture, which lives in longer than any individual employee? I kind of doubt it but it's interesting to think about.

i would bet money most of the powerful stock holders that forced those practices are still around.

I would bet money that stockholders didn't force those practices. Those anti-competitive, industry-harming practices were (and are) used because they secure large profits for the company in exchange for relatively little effort.

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Post by userbinator »

nostrademons wrote: post #340
userbinator wrote: post #321

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By doing that, you're implicitly saying "exploit me". You are helping them succeed, but only in the way that they want. I don't think subjecting yourself to such torture, when it will only bring more of the same, is a good idea.

You post on Hacker News, which is a marketing vehicle for YCombinator. Your content helps make it more attractive to prospective startup founders, which lets YCombinator reach their target market with virtually no marketing expense. Why is sending usage data to Microsoft saying "exploit me", but contributing free marketing to YCombinator is something you do daily? The world doesn't have to operate on zero-sum princip…

One big difference is that I'm fully in control of what I post on HN, whereas "usage data" is far less well-defined. I can literally see every single byte that gets sent to HN, but "usage data" is so vague (and likely intentionally so) that it could mean just about anything you do with the product.

With respect to "exploit me", that was more in reference to not using an adblocker.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by dang »

olavgg wrote: post #252
odonnellryan wrote: post #145

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I love Jetbrains products, but under Linux they are nowhere near as stable as VS is on Windows, or even Jetbrains apps on Windows. They're slower, and some features don't quite work right all the time.

What? Stop lying and spreading false rumors. IntelliJ Idea and PyCharm are rock stable on Linux, they are not slower and if something isn't working then please let Jetbrains know.

> What? Stop lying

This kind of thing is not allowed in HN comments. Please post civilly and substantively or not at all.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by reitanqild »

azinman2 wrote: post #105
stoolpigeon wrote: post #48

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I'm struggling to understand how you are a hard core Linux user yet you've never heard of a good Linux IDE. KDevelop? Eclipse? Netbeans? KomodoIDE? Anything from JetBrains? And I don't even know what might be available on the Gnome side. Then there are all the great editors that sit right on the verge of being IDEs once you configure - Kate, KomodoEdit, Sublime Text and so many more. Personally the look at VS Code ma…

Honestly none of those are very good. The UX, speed, stability, etc is lacking. Eclipse is ok if you're only doing Java (and was good 10 years ago, but the UX is irrelevant today), but sucks for everything else. IntelliJ is the only one do better support other languages but it too is quite clunky, and I use it regularly. Sublime is not on the verge of becoming an IDE, nor any of those other ones. There are way too ma…

Netbeans, despite what some people argue, is very good with both Java and PHP.

TBH I have minor snags with 8.1 so I'm holding back there. However compared to Intellij where I had a paid license and they still replied with: "just buy the next version where it will be fixed" in the Netbeans community Geertjan replied personally and helped with the troubleshooting for my unpaid product.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by nojvek »

simoncion wrote: post #332
cicero wrote: post #315

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The computer technology world has changed a lot since then, and I expect that intelligent people at Microsoft know that the old ways won't work again.

> ...I expect that intelligent people at Microsoft know that the old ways won't work again [because] ... [t]he computer technology world has changed a lot since then ... I'm not nearly as confident as you seem to be. People with purchasing power can still be swayed by FUD. Less-technical bosses are not-infrequently swayed by marketing copy from glossy mags and giveaways from salesman rather than sound technical advic…

I disagree. Before the game plan was to keep everyone in windows. Now with iOS and android killing things it's no longer about just windows. Satya's vision is very different from Ballmer. The big money makers are now shifting to Azure. This means if open sourcing tools that didn't make money will attract more Devs to azure. That is very valuable in the long term in business sense. This also gives Microsoft a good rep and gives a broader reach.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by jodrellblank »

AlexC04 wrote: post #334
passive wrote: post #283

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The terminal in windows 10 is much improved. Specifically copy and paste being less insane, and proper multi-line selection. I'm sure it is still deficient in many ways, but those were always the biggest irritations. No built-in python yet though.

Don't forget that text automatically reflows when you resize. I shed a tear of joy when that finally happened. Now if only I could have terminal-tabs powershell would be perfect.

You can have terminal tabs in PowerShell ISE, with Ctrl+T or File -> New PowerShell Tab.

Re: Visual Studio Code is now open source

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Post by simoncion »

nojvek wrote: post #347
simoncion wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...I expect that intelligent people at Microsoft know that the old ways won't work again [because] ... [t]he computer technology world has changed a lot since then ... I'm not nearly as confident as you seem to be. People with purchasing power can still be swayed by FUD. Less-technical bosses are not-infrequently swayed by marketing copy from glossy mags and giveaways from salesman rather than sound technical advic…

I disagree. Before the game plan was to keep everyone in windows. Now with iOS and android killing things it's no longer about just windows. Satya's vision is very different from Ballmer. The big money makers are now shifting to Azure. This means if open sourcing tools that didn't make money will attract more Devs to azure. That is very valuable in the long term in business sense. This also gives Microsoft a good rep…

> I disagree. Before the game plan was to keep everyone in windows.

Three things:

1) That describes a corporate goal, not a set of behaviors used to achieve it. There are many companies out there who also have the goal of "Keep everyone using our software.". Not many of them have utilized such destructive techniques as Microsoft has in pursuit of that goal.

2) Your second sentence would be more correctly spelt "Microsoft's game plan is to keep everyone using Microsoft software, wherever possible.". When you spell it that way, it becomes clear that the big picture actually hasn't changed. Windows was (and remains) a big part of that game plan, but for the past decade or two, it would be hard for an honest observer to make the claim that Microsoft was only interested in keeping folks on Windows.

3) Many of us have seen Microsoft play nice with the wider community. They never play nice for very long. The more cynical old-timers would say that this "play nice" phase is -itself- a part of the EEE strategy.

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Post by objectified »

sparkling wrote: post #148
smortaz wrote: post #142

We've been asked this by a few people, so I figured this is a good place to respond: Will PTVS (Python Tools for Visual Studio) come to VSCode? The answer is YES! This will be a major focus next year. Expect full intellisense, debugging, profiling, pkg mgmt, unit test, virtual env, multiple interpreter, Jupyter, etc. support. Disc: Python/R/Jupyter team lead https://www.visualstudio.com/features/python-vs

As a Python-lover: this is awesome. There is a need for something with good Python support in-between a full blown PyCharm and plain VIM

There are many others, of which Wing IDE[1] and Komodo[2] are probably the most well known. There's also a page[3] on the Python wiki listing a bunch more.

[1]: https://wingware.com/

[2]: http://komodoide.com/

[3]: https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironmen...

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