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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by kelnos »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #110
kelnos wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find the parent's attitude irrational at all. If police brutality was a rare unicorn-like event, then I could understand your point of view, but it's not. Not even remotely so. I've been lucky in that my interactions with police have ranged from professionally neutral (mostly traffic cops) to indifferent and bored (cop at a police station clearly not giving two shits that I'd just been mugged). (Of course, me…

>Perception matters more than reality sometimes. Hence, the irrationality comment. Somebody who has one pleasant experience with a cop has had a good day. Somebody who has had one friend murdered by a cop probably never trusts any police again.

And I think that's rational. A pleasant experience with a cop should be the absolute norm and should be unremarkable. Having a friend who is murdered by a cop is so far in the negative tally column that I don't think there's any recovering from that.

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Post by MereInterest »

Gorbzel wrote: post #75

> At this point, I’m left no choice but to present this case to the investigative court of public opinion, be it brave or foolish. Um, no, you can leave it to an actual court of law by finding a good attorney and filing a civil complaint. But until you find competent representation, here's a piece of advice: for the love of god and your own well-being, learn to STFU. The story makes it clear OP has no idea when to st…

To any reader, this is a perfect example of the Just World bias and victim blaming. See how Gorbzel makes it clear that the fault of the encounter lies on the victim, not the perpetrator.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by Zancarius »

javajosh wrote: post #319
Zancarius wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reform will take years, and in that time you are at risk. Reform is a great sentiment... Not to sound overly pessimistic, but "reform" isn't usually how citizens extricate themselves from a police state. Totalitarian governance is inherently insular and well protected from peaceful reform, using the state monopoly on violence to maintain and cultivate its will. The antithesis of peaceful reform also conveniently st…

We don't have a police state! We have one of the shittiest justice systems in the world that protects bad actors and gives our police unlimited power to abuse their office without fear of repurcussion. However, freedom of speech is still very well protected, and therein lies our hope for peaceful resolution. And you know what, if Aung Yung Suu-Ki is any indication, even if we did live in a totalitarian state, there w…

> We don't have a police state! We have one of the shittiest justice systems in the world that protects bad actors and gives our police unlimited power to abuse their office without fear of repurcussion [sic].

Struck a nerve?

You're absolutely right. We're not a police state--yet. But if left unchecked, the powers in control of the democratic process inevitably degrade into totalitarian rule. We're seeing a glimpse of that through the paranoia of the state (think extensive surveillance). A totalitarian United States will be made known when the Bill of Rights is nullified in its entirety, and we've already started on that path. Some might argue we've been on that path since the early 1900s, some since 2000, and some since more recently.

Honestly, I don't think we're at a point where reform is possible. An insufficient percentage of the population has yet been inconvenienced to enact reform. But by the time the majority is demanding it, then it will already be too late. And I fear that the average US citizen is too complacent and too ignorant to care. Neither one of those bode well for reform.

[takes off tinfoil hat]

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by scotty79 »

discardorama wrote: post #235
maratd wrote: post #161

When a cop gives you instructions to leave, you leave. Not because the cop is right, but because this shit happens. And if you're naive enough to think that this shit won't happen to you, try not complying with a cop's instructions. Doesn't matter where in the US you happen to be. It's that simple. Look, here's a simple rule. In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky sta…

"In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky stars and leave. " "count your lucky stars" is not what I'm paying my taxes for.

It's not "I'm paying so I'm buying." When paying taxes you are being extorted by definition. You are not paying taxes for anything.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by ryguytilidie »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #243
ryguytilidie wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And this is why I fucking HATE COPS. I don't care if it's the few, this god damn country-wide gang is a piece of shit and I will do everything I can to avoid them and teach my two children about staying away as well. Fuck these pigs." This is what you were responding to. This person never said the main thing that seems to have incited your tantrum. At this point you're either trolling or stupid, so there isn't much…

When I say "responding to" I didn't necessarily mean the post directly above me. A minimal amount of effort put into looking at the rest of the comment page would have remedied your apparent confusion. Please, do stop responding to me. I have enough to fill my time without trying to explain (what I thought was) the obvious to you.

You seem to be having some trouble with basic logic, which may be the cause of your current "I'm leaving this community because they think my tantrum isn't a valid opinion!". If you say "I'm responding to someone who said [thing x]" and you're not responding to someone who said that, it is really me who is to blame for trusting what you said? But yeah, as I said in the other post, I doubt I'll get anywhere disagreeing with someone who has a complete inability to admit theyre wrong. Hope you find some good buddies over at 4chan.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by kelnos »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #320
srean wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a specific point to make regarding your parent commenter's response , then make the point, even better substantiate it with verifiable data, dont ask loaded questions. You keep railing about "several" people here claimed good cops dont exist. Please help me find that "several" EDIT: Responding to BlackDeath3's comment below ---- > I'm sorry, I don't think I'll do that Because you cant, so stop trolling. I…

>Please help me find that "several" I'm sorry, I don't think I'll do that. If the consequence is that you completely discount what I'm saying and don't believe me, then that's fine. I don't feel like I should have to point others to relevant comments within the same comment page. I may have time to waste here, but I don't have that much.

All we're trying to do here is understand. We hear reports about bad cops doing bad things. I don't hear reports about good cops condemning those bad cops. I do hear reports about the rest of the cops quietly rallying around those bad cops, closing ranks, and hiding and protecting them. At absolute best, I hear about press conferences where the police commissioner will say the absolute minimum to cover his/her ass while providing no real belief that bad cops are actually accountable for anything.

If you're going to say that good cops do condemn bad cops, show us examples of this happening. I would love to see them, but I haven't heard of even one. If you're not willing to do the work to come up with these cases, then I'm just not going to believe you. Not saying you have an obligation to prove your case to anyone, but from the volume of comments from you in this post, it seems like you really do care about this issue.

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Post by dabernathy89 »

baddox wrote: post #145
interstitial wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how can she call the paramedics without the police?

Don't call the paramedics either. Desperately try to find your own way (or help the injured person find a way) to the hospital if something is wrong. There is no shortage of stories where people call the police, even for relatively serious issues, only to have the police show up and promptly murder the injured person or another nearby innocent.

This is terrible advice.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

kelnos wrote: post #331
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Perception matters more than reality sometimes. Hence, the irrationality comment. Somebody who has one pleasant experience with a cop has had a good day. Somebody who has had one friend murdered by a cop probably never trusts any police again.

And I think that's rational. A pleasant experience with a cop should be the absolute norm and should be unremarkable. Having a friend who is murdered by a cop is so far in the negative tally column that I don't think there's any recovering from that.

But treating all police like scumbags because of one bad encounter isn't rational. It's a response born out of fear, and while fear can be useful it isn't always rational.

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Post by swombat »

FD3SA wrote: post #309

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. I strongly recommend people study history, and understand human nature at both scientific and societal levels. There is too much…

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else.

You say that, but this ideal world is the world I live in, and have lived in all my life. You should consider moving to Europe (UK and Switzerland in my case).

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

FD3SA wrote: post #309

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. I strongly recommend people study history, and understand human nature at both scientific and societal levels. There is too much…

Where exactly are you going with this? The author is doing something that they are passionate about and would seem to have an audience. Not only that it is more socially conscious than working for King or some other crap app factory.

So what's the beef and why are you so condescending about it?

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