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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll respond to this in the same way that I responded to another user posing the same questions. Who says that they don't speak out about this sort of stuff? How many good cops do condemn this behavior? How many of them do you not hear about? What happens to cops who condemn other cops?

If you are a police officer tasked with enforcing the law, and you see coworkers of yours breaking the law by kidnapping people like the one in the OP, why would you not arrest your coworkers?

What happens to me after I arrest my coworkers?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Why were the cops in charge of this scene at all?

Around here the ranking medical provider would have been in charge, and the cops wouldn't have gotten involved unless they were asked to by EMS.

As a paramedic, I would be seriously pissed if a cop dragged a helpful bystander away from my patient (for all I know they have useful information that I need to know).

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Thanks for sharing.

When I read stories like this and the original article, I genuinely wonder how long it will be before the people start to fight back. And I mean literally fight.

I'm not for a second suggesting that any individual should fight or even argue with the police, but I can't imagine how an entire society can tolerate this kind of behavior from the police.

As much as I hate to say it, it really only seems like a (short) matter of time before Americans start violently fighting back against this, as we've seen in the Ukraine, Egypt and now Venezuela (obviously all for different reasons)

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

> I was retina scanned and placed in a holding cell with around 10 other criminals. Charges ranged from domestic abuse to armed robbery. One man was on the floor going through drug withdrawals. Everyone scoffed at the idea that I was there because of a traffic violation, and likely assumed I was making that up

"...Running a red light.... and creating a disturbance" is what you should have said. herbig's situation sounds reminiscent of a modern-day Alice's Restaurant Massacree.

This policing technique is also known as "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't pay taxes in places the cops are mostly criminals. Ever.

You can find shitty police behavior everywhere, including the EU, Germany and Canada. The probability is just different.

I'm not anti cop but the Sûreté du Québec have a pretty bad reputation.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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"This site sucks because they think my opinion is bad." Cool, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Voting should be independent of opinion, should it not? Voting should reflect the merit of a post regardless of its popularity, right? Comments with little more substance than "cops should die" shouldn't be at the top of a comment page, right? You're 0 for 2 with me so far. Don't join the debate team.

This is the top comment right now: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ie3mmcm0acuzxgv/Screenshot%202014-...

Do you read this 1000+ word well written point as "having no more substance than 'cops should die'"? Or did you simply decide that you should just ignore that post since it didn't fit your utterly insane narrative? Never mind the fact that even the exact post youre referencing doesn't even say the thing you keep claiming it says...

I'm sure I'll continue being 0 for as long as I'm arguing a different point than yours, because you've shown that its not evidence, or eloquence that matters, rather how well aligned the other person's argument is aligned with your own. I doubt there is a forum where you will fit in well. Maybe you can just scream irrational nonsense at people on 4chan or something?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are the good cops when things like this happen? Why don't they speak out? Why don't they throw their bad-cop colleagues under the bus? Nope. The supposed good cops are bad too.

I'll respond to this in the same way that I responded to another user posing the same questions. Who says that they don't speak out about this sort of stuff? How many good cops do condemn this behavior? How many of them do you not hear about? What happens to cops who condemn other cops?

If you have a specific point to make regarding your parent commenter's response , then make the point, even better substantiate it with verifiable data, dont ask loaded questions. You keep railing about "several" people here claimed good cops dont exist. Please help me find that "several"

EDIT: Responding to BlackDeath3's comment below

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> I'm sorry, I don't think I'll do that

Because you cant, so stop trolling. If lack of intelligent commentary so annoys you, it is only fair that you hold your comments to an equal standard. Sadly evidence shows otherwise.

Come clean, in some posts you respond with "I exist" when people complain about public invisibility of good cops and in others you insult commenter's for suggesting you are a cop or a law student.

And you have still not addressed this: If you have a specific point to make regarding your parent commenter's response , then make the point, even better substantiate it with verifiable data, dont ask loaded questions.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #161

When a cop gives you instructions to leave, you leave. Not because the cop is right, but because this shit happens. And if you're naive enough to think that this shit won't happen to you, try not complying with a cop's instructions. Doesn't matter where in the US you happen to be. It's that simple. Look, here's a simple rule. In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky sta…

"In every interaction with the police, ask if you can leave. If you can, count your lucky stars and leave. " "count your lucky stars" is not what I'm paying my taxes for.

Then get involved with local politics and/or become a cop. otherwise you'll get what you're given when it comes to your taxes.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else.

I strongly recommend people study history, and understand human nature at both scientific and societal levels. There is too much to discuss here, but in brief:

Homo-sapiens, much like other primates, create status hierarchies while competing for resources and mates. Status is directly proportional to the ability to exercise power. All of human history has been a result of this inter and intra-hierachy competition.

In a police state such as the modern US, the lowest police officer has an unimaginably higher potential to exercise power than any median income citizen. As such, that power is often exercised. As the author realized, you have no ability to fight back in a police state. You can sue, but good luck getting results.

So the real question is, why do you think your startup is worth pursuing given the situation you're in? Do you really think "bringing transparency to the food industry", or the thousands of other startups that go through YC, are even relevant given the reality of the US police state?

This has been my biggest criticism of "Hacker" culture. Closing your eyes and pretending you live in Galt's Gluch is not going to make it a reality. Wake up and look at the world around you and realize that just because you haven't been crushed by the state yet, doesn't mean it's never going to happen. Once you realize that, your priorities will hopefully shift in a more reasonable direction.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is safe from totalitarian police states. This is a fact history has shown repeatedly.

Act accordingly.

P.S. Just saw that immediately race was brought up. As a tip to anyone who wants to make a difference, people in power will divide you into as many groups as you let them in order to subjugate you. When the system is in place, it doesn't matter what ethnicity you belong to. If you piss off the wrong person, you're finished. The trick is to unify to disassemble the monstrosity, not balkanize into smaller and ever more powerless units based on: race, income, sex, height, attractiveness, beliefs, democrat/republican, pro-life/pro-choice, LBGT-hetero, pro-KONY/anti-KONY, ...

Please, understand power. Understand how little you have, and how to make best use of it to attain your goals. Balkanize at your own peril.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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It's high time to just make the cops wear video cameras. A whole lot of this sort of crap could just vanish.

Out of all the comments on this thread, this is the only one with an actionable solution to the problem.

SFPD are going down this road, OPD (Oakland) and many others already do, but the officers often find an excuse for their camera to malfunction when they want, and in many cases they are instructed to turn the camera on themselves before interacting with anyone, and they simply don't.

It turns out that telling the cops what to do isn't very effective.

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