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Post by versteegen »

satvikpendem wrote: post #158
solenoid0937 wrote: post #141

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HN is just a massive Anthropic hate fest now, probably funded/manipulated by OAI's $8B PR budget. OP phrases it as a bad thing that Dario is keeping compute multipliers to Anthropic. How naive can one be? Compute multipliers are the whole business. Those are the trade secrets every lab is built on. It is the alpha of the business. How does protecting this make Dario evil? This website is getting out of hand with the…

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Amusing, this is the first time I've seen someone get flagged for quoting the guidelines.

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Post by fragmede »

bananaflag wrote: post #290
Iolaum wrote: post #261

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LLM's as a technology - currently - are stateless. The memory layer is controlled by the agent. I m surprised with the gpt-6 reference unless it has to do with vertical integration between the agent and the layer.

Yeah, I am aware of this statelessness. This is what I was referring to: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/08/19/sam-altman-on-gpt-6-people-w... It's marketing speak, but the goal is clearly there, no idea how achievable.

How it works under the hood is separate from selling the feature.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

reinitctxoffset wrote: post #273
solenoid0937 wrote: post #231

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It is in OpenAI, Anthropic, and the US Gov's best interest to slow China down and ban Chinese models. Literally none of what you wrote prevents them from doing so. Once China starts to get scary, Commerce will export control GPUs and declare Chinese models "foreign munitions." Any nation doing business with the US will not be allowed to use these models either, and that will be the end of that. It is just not in the…

The assertion that it's in the United States Government's best interests ban Chinese open weight models is a very strong opinion that is not a consensus even at the fringe of Thiel-adjacent psycho thought: Alex Karp is on record about open weight models being necessary, the fucking "we bombed a bunch of kids with Claude doing rubber stamp target selection" guy. He thinks "trust OpenAI and Anthropic" is a radical posi…

I run local models every day.

We are in a race to superintelligence. The first country to AGI will be the first to superintelligence, and the first to superintelligence will have de facto control over the world and the future of humanity. They will also be able to prevent others from reaching superintelligence.

Of course it's in the US's best interest to slow down China. You aren't zooming out and looking at the big picture, you're taking models as slightly useful tool, not what they will soon turn into.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

alightsoul wrote: post #280
solenoid0937 wrote: post #148

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Open source AI fails first contact with sufficiently-intelligent-as-to-be-dangerous AI. The day Mythos class models are open sourced will not be a good day. I don't think you understand the impact that will have on the world and on cyber defenders everywhere. It will be pure chaos. Even if you don't think Mythos-class is the bar, open source has to stop at some point, you don't hand everyone a superweapon.

Oh remember when the same was said about GPT-2? It will actually force cyber security to be taken seriously instead of just bureaucracy

The main risks called out with GPT 2 were misinformation and they were right about all of it. Every risk they called out came to pass.

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Post by solenoid0937 »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #302
solenoid0937 wrote: post #148

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Open source AI fails first contact with sufficiently-intelligent-as-to-be-dangerous AI. The day Mythos class models are open sourced will not be a good day. I don't think you understand the impact that will have on the world and on cyber defenders everywhere. It will be pure chaos. Even if you don't think Mythos-class is the bar, open source has to stop at some point, you don't hand everyone a superweapon.

This line of thinking is ontologically evil, life denying, and it and its believers should be rejected and fought with extreme prejudice.

I'm sorry, you're right! What was I even thinking? Of course we should hand every man, woman, and child a mini nuke!

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Post by solenoid0937 »

alightsoul wrote: post #276
solenoid0937 wrote: post #221

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It has got to be one of the most insane takes I've read on HN, which to be fair has been trending towards "unhinged" when it comes to Anthropic and AI safety. Compute multipliers are like a quant firm's trading algorithms. They're the crown jewels, the whole alpha of the lab. If you leak them, the lab dies. Protecting them does not make Dario a villain, it's literally his job. It's also Sam's job, Denis's job, Mira's…

So how can Deepseek publish them without killing themselves?

Their alpha has been discovered by the other labs. If they took the lead they obviously would not give that up freely.

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Post by make3 »

drw85 wrote: post #235
make3 wrote: post #183

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the thing went from the transformer paper in 2017 to basically doing your job for you in 2026

The problem is that it's too expensive. It can technically do parts of my job for me, but at a variable cost that's higher than mine right now.

Efficiency is an angle of research that's quite active, see quantization, MoE, speculative decoding, QKV cache optimizations, sparse attention, etc

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Post by liminal »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #293
d4rkp4ttern wrote: post #259

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> single line addition to prompt to use subagents proactively. This misses an important detail. In Claude Code [1], ultracode suggests the agent create a JavaScript code to deterministically orchestrate sub agents. This is different from just having the main agent launch sub agents and (non-deterministically) manage them. The resulting workflow is called “dynamic” because CC creates this orchestration script dynamica…

Btw, the /loop “dynamic workflow” is so beyond broken/not working. It’s sad to see folks like Karpathy make a big deal about looping, than to find that the loop command is broken and it’s crap vibe coded documentation isn’t even accurate on the Claude docs. This whole dynamic workflow idea is on face bad. It’s all done as a massive cope for the fact that real determinism (I.e using structured outputs to enforce contr…

Why is structured output a safety issue?

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Post by genidoi »

rowanG077 wrote: post #241
barrkel wrote: post #186

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People are stochastic. You build reliable processes out of unreliable parts with feedback and self-correcting mechanisms. AI is not actually magically special in this regard. It has higher variance and we're still figuring out how to get all the tradeoffs right.

The big problem is that a person making a mistake can be taught to not make that mistake again. That's also not foolproof but at least it works a lot of the times. AI are unteachable, if you have given them a good prompt and they do something wrong 90% of the time you are shit out of luck. That is to say I do agree that building reliable processes out of unreliable parts with feedback is the modus operandi. However A…

> However AI cannot meaningfully handle feedback and learn.

Well this is the central bet of AI coding isn't it? We, the humans-in-the-loop, get better at knowing ahead of time which patterns AI will handle better than others, all the while the models actually get better.

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Post by brookst »

rowanG077 wrote: post #319
benjiro29 wrote: post #260

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> AI are unteachable, if you have given them a good prompt and they do something wrong 90% of the time you are shit out of luck. If the Model makes repeated mistakes on the same subject matter, you can update your agent.md file, or you can add skills to deal with specific prompts, or you provide a better default harness. The whole idea of coding agents is their harness makes a big difference vs a pure raw model. > Ho…

> If the Model makes repeated mistakes on the same subject matter, you can update your agent.md file ... That's all just prompting. > How do you think models are created? They are trained on feedback and learn. No one is post training models on a single mistake. At least I have not seen it. I also doubt it is effective. Post-training on a single failure will not meaningfully change the model. That even sidesteps the…

> That's all just prompting

And telling someone not to repeat a mistake is… ?

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