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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by RugnirViking »

sharts wrote: post #282
exabrial wrote: post #94

For those of us who lived through the "Offshoring" Craze of the mid-2000s, this has the exact same arc. Corp CEOs / CFOs golf buddies coouldn't stop yapping about how much they saved paying people less by offshoring. So step 1, they fire a bunch of people and send work overseas, driving up their financial metrics for 5-6 quarters until their staff and their organization finally break at stage 2. Turns out cultural an…

Funny thing is, for all the commenters agreeing that this type of leadership is broken, most of the folks here and everywhere end up always doing the same things once they find themselves in similar positions of power / decision making.

well yeah. the problem isn't that its easy and the execs are stupid. The problem is that its really hard, and they only have extremely fallible numbers to guide them (and the reports from various middle management layers which tend to be useless because the incentives for those guys are very far from anything that would allow ceo to make good decisions)

It's easy to see, from the outside, that a given cut stands a high chance of hurting a company. But cuts must sometimes be made regardless

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Post by mathattack »

warumdarum wrote: post #299
mathattack wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’ve hit on a big reason - short term gains. The partners at Accenture, Infosys and the rest circle the execs at old industry companies. The companies start performing worse, though nothing some accounting gimmicks can’t cover. Then they have a very bad quarter, enough that it will ruin their fiscal year. Fingers start pointing, and talk turns to “belt tightening” and “turning fixed costs to variable.” All of a sud…

Which makeshype ability a API that allows the big players to comandeer small companies into suicidal behiveour , resulting in easy take overs via buy outs. So, the question is not: who is all in on the hype cycle, but who is all out.

I’m not sure I follow.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by red-iron-pine »

wunderlotus wrote: post #308
sharts wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny thing is, for all the commenters agreeing that this type of leadership is broken, most of the folks here and everywhere end up always doing the same things once they find themselves in similar positions of power / decision making.

Yep, because the status quo is hard to change and most people get measured, & thus, incentivized, by medium term metrics (at best). especially when investors are involved.

> especially when investors are involved

presumably this/these are the Moloch the other poster alluded to

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by red-iron-pine »

Sanzig wrote: post #27

Setting aside how shortsighted it is to fire your employees to replace them with AI, Ford also screwed up by firing the wrong employees. LLMs work best in the hands of experienced senior engineers who can work at a high level of abstraction because they already understand all the pieces underneath. In a sense, using an LLM agent is like providing instructions to a very smart, very quick junior who despite being brill…

> In a sense, using an LLM agent is like providing instructions to a very smart, very quick junior who despite being brilliant has some blind spots and lacks institutional knowledge. That's something that seniors excel at, so by firing your seniors you've fired the people best positioned to make full use of LLMs.

aye.

I've posted this here at HN several times but I had my intern try to track down how many CVEs from a list of vulns we found were being exploited in the wild -- couple years ago, pre mythos that is. I also took the list to Copilot and Claude.

All 3 got different answers, albeit off by one or two. The intern told me at least he didn't know about X, which was far more useful. I later had him whip up a plan and some basic code to patch some of them, and the experience comparing his answer to Copilot was similar to before as well -- both mostly worked, but didn't, and in different ways, and mostly due to not knowing institutional best practices.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by red-iron-pine »

reaperducer wrote: post #312
bluefirebrand wrote: post #293

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What is the point of a comment like this? This article may not mention anything but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Go search "Ford Layoffs 2025" and see for your self It's not up for debate whether they did or didn't lay people off recently. They unambiguously did.

What is the point of a comment like this? Deflection.

brand bots be active on HN as they are anywhere else

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Post by graemep »

Charon77 wrote: post #325
graemep wrote: post #265

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The solution is clearly to use an AI to communicate across cultural barriers. It can do translation too so your offshore workforce does not even need to speak your language which will cut costs even more. /s

This is being pushed to us in forms of AI SDLC. I am quite heartbroken. Your /s comment is a reality for others.

Wow! I think this a relative of Poe's law in action - there is no idea you can think is satirical that someone does not think is a good idea.

Re: Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by red-iron-pine »

vvpan wrote: post #253
shimman wrote: post #28

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The dream of perpetual labor machine is something capitalists are willing to destroy the planet in order to chase their fictitious dream. Oppressors must be stopped.

Steer towards that Fully-Automated Luxury Communism.

HN prefers FULLY-AUTOMATED POVERTY-STRICKEN HETEROSEXUAL TERRESTRIAL EXPLOITED CAPITALISM

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Post by lostglass »

RugnirViking wrote: post #331
sharts wrote: post #282

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Funny thing is, for all the commenters agreeing that this type of leadership is broken, most of the folks here and everywhere end up always doing the same things once they find themselves in similar positions of power / decision making.

well yeah. the problem isn't that its easy and the execs are stupid. The problem is that its really hard, and they only have extremely fallible numbers to guide them (and the reports from various middle management layers which tend to be useless because the incentives for those guys are very far from anything that would allow ceo to make good decisions) It's easy to see, from the outside, that a given cut stands a hi…

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Post by sarchertech »

simianwords wrote: post #329
sarchertech wrote: post #315

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Go argue with most of the developed world I guess.

This holds true for most of the world. The economy is not a jobs program.

You might not want it to be a jobs program but a portion of the economy is a jobs program. I think you’re just repeating the same thing over and over so you can get the last word in.

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Post by teiferer »

nekusar wrote: post #171
teiferer wrote: post #132

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> Fast but stochastic has no value. He valuations of a bunch of AI unicorns disagree.

Its all about a longshot gamble to replace workers and wages.

I don't understand how that angle keeps surviving. It is in the interest of the rich and powerful to keep the vast majority of society in jobs and pay them a wage. That's what they use to consume the things that drive the economy which ultimately makes the rich richer. The narrative that the rich want to get rid of workers is as nonsensical today as it was decades ago when I heard it the first time. It doesn't make any sense.
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