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Ford AI hiccups push carmaker to rehire ‘gray beard’ inspectors

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Post by cactacea »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #227
cactacea wrote: post #77

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It was also designed by European engineers, not in Michigan. Not saying that's the reason the Focus is more reliable than a Taurus but they didn't follow the "typical" Ford design process at the time for that vehicle. For what it is worth I owned a 1992 Taurus and it left me stranded more times than I can count. Just some of the issues I had were a water pump that exploded and a seized A/C compressor.

Pretty much everything Ford brings to the US that was designed in Europe is loathed by anyone who has to own it out of warranty. Turns out that when you have a building full of engineers in Germany or England their domestic engineering culture results in work output not all that different from the sort of stuff people chastise BMW and Land Rover for. That said, the Escort, and to a lesser extent the Focus, are genera…

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Post by reaperducer »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #293
Legend2440 wrote: post #35

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Who says Ford fired any employees? The article doesn't.

What is the point of a comment like this? This article may not mention anything but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Go search "Ford Layoffs 2025" and see for your self It's not up for debate whether they did or didn't lay people off recently. They unambiguously did.

What is the point of a comment like this?

Deflection.

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Post by andrekandre »

vrganj wrote: post #78
thewebguyd wrote: post #49

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This idea is everywhere right now, that AI is some magic black box that will solve all your business problems. The sentiment is spreading through the exec team where I work now too. It's like a disease. C-suites completely disconnected from reality and assuming we've already achieved ASI/AGI, and marketing teams & business journals are only furthering that narrative. It's so weird. I don't know what it is about AI th…

Its ideology. > Its like they've been chomping at the bit for decades to get rid of those pesky humans and are so hyped up over it they can't see clearly anymore. This is precisely it. Here's my analysis: AGI is a savior figure for the capitalist class. A tech version of the Second Coming, delivering them from the pesky demands of workers, like a living wage or (gasp!) sick leave. That's why they're all so obsessed w…

  > A tech version of the Second Coming
is this why some people say if your anti-ai your basically the anti-christ? i've never understood the connection to that.

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Post by tandr »

helterskelter wrote: post #309
tandr wrote: post #301

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Thank you. If you don't mind me asking - which part of driving experience made you think "never again"?

Okay so this was actually about a year or two ago, but I remember the infotainment system glitched out a lot for no discernible reason, which prevented me from accessing a lot of the controls, and I had some difficulty with the hardware controls which just felt poorly thought out from a UX standpoint. Some of the things an owner would obviously get used to, but it felt like you were constantly struggling with it to d…

Thank you. Reminds me my struggle with a new cellphone about 6 or so years ago (don't remember the brand :(). Random reboots when I was using Maps (a very scary thing when you are driving in a new country), corrupted memory card and lost images, random freezing. Call quality was ok, pictures were so-so, but it is just like you said - things around main function - that's what makes or breaks the experience. On paper the phone looked really good, but the experience as whole was awful. Got back from the trip, returned phone back to Costco...

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Post by sarchertech »

simianwords wrote: post #305
sarchertech wrote: post #300

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> If its not symmetric then you bias towards status quo which is a really bad way to act as a CEO. That doesn’t follow. It could just as easily bias a CEO towards over hiring, or finding ways to retrain existing employees, or any one of a million things that’s not the status quo. It’s also possible that there currently exists pressure to push CEOs to lay off too many people and a little pressure in the opposite direc…

> Many people think that the one of the primary purposes of a company is to provide employment This is not good for society.

Go argue with most of the developed world I guess.

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Post by adrianN »

sharts wrote: post #282
exabrial wrote: post #94

For those of us who lived through the "Offshoring" Craze of the mid-2000s, this has the exact same arc. Corp CEOs / CFOs golf buddies coouldn't stop yapping about how much they saved paying people less by offshoring. So step 1, they fire a bunch of people and send work overseas, driving up their financial metrics for 5-6 quarters until their staff and their organization finally break at stage 2. Turns out cultural an…

Funny thing is, for all the commenters agreeing that this type of leadership is broken, most of the folks here and everywhere end up always doing the same things once they find themselves in similar positions of power / decision making.

In many situations you realize that certain behavior is bad yet you are forced into it by game theory. It’s just Moloch’s invisible hand ruining it.

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Post by sidewndr46 »

reactordev wrote: post #10

This is going to be the norm across the board as the models have failed to live up to the hype. I do think LLMs and agents and all are great at helping you through tough problems but we aren’t there yet on getting them to do all the work while we just architect and design. Again, it’s close, and for your use cases you might be there already but for low level and big corporate lift and shifts, it’s not there yet. I ha…

depending on who you ask, the failure is not one of AI. It's a failure of management to adopt enough AI.

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Post by 4d4m »

drob518 wrote: post #260
thewebguyd wrote: post #128

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> We did it because everyone else is doing it and we were told it was the right thing. How were we to know that it wouldn’t work?” And why does the board/shareholders allow a CEO to continue into their position by just following everyone else? I'm sure things are different at massive scales, but I run my own side business (photography). I watch the local market, and I have the attitude of "Whatever everyone else is d…

Let’s be honest about how the incentives work at large companies. The CEO probably has a $10m/yr comp package. The EVPs under him are $3m-$5m each. Nobody is really interested in making the company wildly successful, because that would entail lots of risk. Better to just keep everything moving along at the market average, don’t get fired, and collect the package every year. If you’re lucky, you do this for 3-5 years…

this is the correct take

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Post by credit_guy »

sharts wrote: post #282
exabrial wrote: post #94

For those of us who lived through the "Offshoring" Craze of the mid-2000s, this has the exact same arc. Corp CEOs / CFOs golf buddies coouldn't stop yapping about how much they saved paying people less by offshoring. So step 1, they fire a bunch of people and send work overseas, driving up their financial metrics for 5-6 quarters until their staff and their organization finally break at stage 2. Turns out cultural an…

Funny thing is, for all the commenters agreeing that this type of leadership is broken, most of the folks here and everywhere end up always doing the same things once they find themselves in similar positions of power / decision making.

Because in reality, in most cases it works. I worked in many places that had large offshore teams that I worked with closely (India mostly, but also Hungary, Poland, Argentina, Morocco), and people were mostly happy with the arrangement.

There are some cases where the outcome is bad (like the case at Ford now), and lots of people point out to that and say "I told you so". But those are the exceptions, not the rule.

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