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Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by WalterBright »

tacomagick wrote: post #327
WalterBright wrote: post #324

I'd ban all technology in the classroom. What works is chalkboard and chalk, pencil and paper. You'll never get strong by watching a video of people lifting weights. Similarly, you'll never understand math by watching a video or having an AI do the work for you. And, somehow, writing out the words and equations by hand is very effective for learning. https://www.holdenluntz.com/artists/keystone-press-agency/al...

I do not think your example is at all fair. You can definitely learn from the way AI solves a math question.

> You can definitely learn from the way AI solves a math question.

Challenge: learn some math from AI. Sleep on it. Duplicate it on paper the next day.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by tacomagick »

WalterBright wrote: post #331
tacomagick wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not think your example is at all fair. You can definitely learn from the way AI solves a math question.

> You can definitely learn from the way AI solves a math question. Challenge: learn some math from AI. Sleep on it. Duplicate it on paper the next day.

Is this supposed to be difficult?

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Post by charcircuit »

Aerolfos wrote: post #240
charcircuit wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is GPT-3. Modern models are rewarded based off the accuracy of their responses.

By... another AI model. Which uses statistical generation to decide whether the answer is likely to be accurate or not.

Which still makes it more than probabilistic sounding words.

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by charcircuit »

HKH2 wrote: post #303
charcircuit wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs can teach better than the human teacher could. Big Knowing wants to be the one to teach, but that is not the only option.

Students need motivation to honestly and openly talk about their doubts or lack of understanding.

I've had LLMs both help motivate myself into getting better at things and help me understand things I don't. Being open with an AI is much easier than a human since there is no risk of being judged.

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Post by maplethorpe »

WalterBright wrote: post #329
WalterBright wrote: post #324

I'd ban all technology in the classroom. What works is chalkboard and chalk, pencil and paper. You'll never get strong by watching a video of people lifting weights. Similarly, you'll never understand math by watching a video or having an AI do the work for you. And, somehow, writing out the words and equations by hand is very effective for learning. https://www.holdenluntz.com/artists/keystone-press-agency/al...

Here's how to tell if their homework is done by AI: if the homework was much better quality than the in-class work.

Not always. I once got accused of cheating at University because my take-home assignment was so much better than my in class work. At home there was no pressure to perform. I could practice and try things.

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Post by Planktonne »

hparadiz wrote: post #302
Planktonne wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is a context that is generally relevant to HN, and for which we have lots of data. Literacy is a worldwide problem.

The United States has always been at the forefront of pushing higher literacy both internally and world wide. We have just had multiple crazy tech breakthroughs, a world wide pandemic, and various other uncontrolled variables like SAT tests no longer being required at some institutions. It's impossible to draw any conclusions with so many moving pieces but ultimately I'm sure we'll figure it out. A slight regression…

Your 'slight regression' has lasted a lot longer than the last ten years, and is a real problem that has a significant effect on many people's lives. Again, this is not uniquely a US problem, but it is a problem.

Jingoistic deflection doesn't change that.

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Post by NDlurker »

simonw wrote: post #56

> Pupils from first through seventh grade, aged 6 to 13, should as a general rule not be using AI, while those in lower secondary school, aged 14 to 16, can cautiously adopt tools under teachers' supervision, the government said. Sounds right to me. Kids under 13 need to learn to read, write and comprehend text. Generative AI is not going to help them with those skills. They can play with AI at home, and after 13 the…

I don't understand what the controversy is in the US about banning phones in schools. I graduated highschool in the mid 2000s and cell phones were just starting to gain adoption in my town in the last couple years I was in school. I don't recall anyone using a phone in class, but Game Boys were definitely not allowed. I was surprised when I found out that kids were regularly on their phones in class. Why was that ever allowed? Did it get too hard to enforce and they gave up on it until recently?

Re: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary school

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Post by bawolff »

WalterBright wrote: post #329
WalterBright wrote: post #324

I'd ban all technology in the classroom. What works is chalkboard and chalk, pencil and paper. You'll never get strong by watching a video of people lifting weights. Similarly, you'll never understand math by watching a video or having an AI do the work for you. And, somehow, writing out the words and equations by hand is very effective for learning. https://www.holdenluntz.com/artists/keystone-press-agency/al...

Here's how to tell if their homework is done by AI: if the homework was much better quality than the in-class work.

If your in class work is of the same quality as homework you are obviously not trying very hard.
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