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Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by adrr »

strictnein wrote: post #312
adrr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if he said "we need a patriot to bail out the guy who killed charlie kirk" like Charlie kirk said about the guy who tried to murder Paul Pelosi and was at Nancy Pelosi's house to torture her.

Imagine you added this context to that statement which was a broader statement about bail and not about how he supported the attacker? I don't agree with Kirk, but your "quote" of him is purposefully misleading. “I’m not qualifying it. I think it’s awful. It’s not right,” Kirk said about the attack on Pelosi, who suffered a skull fracture after being hit in the head with a hammer. “But why is it that in Chicago you’r…

Thanks for pointing out how he equated random street violence to premeditated attempted murder and torture.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by staticautomatic »

WillAdams wrote: post #249
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of liability for police. They would likely buy insurance against it.

And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Municipal insurers already do that

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by strictnein »

adrr wrote: post #331
strictnein wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine you added this context to that statement which was a broader statement about bail and not about how he supported the attacker? I don't agree with Kirk, but your "quote" of him is purposefully misleading. “I’m not qualifying it. I think it’s awful. It’s not right,” Kirk said about the attack on Pelosi, who suffered a skull fracture after being hit in the head with a hammer. “But why is it that in Chicago you’r…

Thanks for pointing out how he equated random street violence to premeditated attempted murder and torture.

I'm really not sure how you got that from what was said? Murder is worse, in fact, than attempted murder, regardless of if it was "random street violence" or not.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by autoexec »

koiueo wrote: post #271
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a lot of liability for police. They would likely buy insurance against it.

For which they'd pay with taxpayer's money anyway

Just make them pay for the insurance out of the pension fund. Better yet, make individual officers personally liable for acts outside of their official duties such as civil rights violations and crimes. After the first few cops lose all of their money in court the rest of them will start actually policing themselves.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by OGWhales »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #316
OGWhales wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that saying anything "grossly offensive" is illegal there, so it's not clear those police were blatantly overstepping their authority like in the case from the OP.

I don't think GP is advocating that the US become more like europe by increasing the authority of police officers.

Right, nor was that the suggestion of my comment. I just wasn't sure they were comparing how abuse of power is handled in different legal systems so much as how freedom of speech laws are handled.

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Post by pixl97 »

dmix wrote: post #252
gruez wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Of the 90% many will accept their fault and receive a caution or warning Why do you need to arrest someone just to warn them?

In the UK the police can detain you for up to 24hrs without a judge and extend it to 36hrs in some cases. One case I read of a guy who got in trouble for a social media post, he was called into the station and they basically forced him to sign a paper otherwise he couldn't leave as they'd just keep interrogating him, where I'd imagine they threatened to get the courts involved unless he admitted he was wrong for doin…

>In the UK the police can detain you for up to 24hrs without a judge and extend it to 36hrs in some cases.

So pretty much half the time than in the US. (County of Riverside v. McLaughlin)

-In the United States, police generally cannot hold you for more than 48 hours without formal charges or a probable cause hearing before a judge.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by autoexec »

nyeah wrote: post #266
freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

What if a majority of taxpayers voted for that sheriff?

Recent history has shown that sometimes people will vote for incompetent criminals but, elected or not, that doesn't mean we shouldn't still hold them accountable for what they do.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by kstenerud »

freediddy wrote: post #155

The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

> Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund.

So... collective punishment?

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art...

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Post by saratogacx »

bearjaws wrote: post #257
kadushka wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would this work? Where do the money for their pension fund come from? Would taking money from it result in them receiving smaller pensions?

Maybe it would make officers turn in the bad apples, since they insist "one bad apple" each time these issues arise.

Do they still insist that? My unstudied feeling is that the current go to is "The officer acted in line with established department guidelines. We commit to reviewing the guidelines in light of this situation" with no accountability on any side to actually do anything.
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