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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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We already have data on one of those… Pragmatically, the main reason that has been true throughout all of history is that women are more valuable reproductively. A country can lose half its men in a war and still recover. The same is not true if it loses half its women.

However, with birth rates plummeting -- is this even true any more?

It seems like it would be even more true when birth rates are falling

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As a German citizen, this’ll certainly make me thoroughly uninterested in the gender pay gap for the rest of my life.

So, are you suggesting that women should be punished for the decisions of men? Why wouldn't you just object to forced conscription in general?

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This is only for citizen not refugees/immigrants so both MEA and NA folks can chill.

Why aren't refugees/immigrants conscripted over citizens?

Because immigrants have the right to be protected, while native men have a duty to die for their rulers.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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An army that can't mold recruits to perform all the duties expected of a soldier is no army at all. Boot camps include a healthy amount of physical and endurance training.

Even with training the gap still persists, albeit to a lesser extent. Elite females are roughly as strong as the median male (without any extra training post drafting).

> Even with training the gap still persists

Why does the gap matter if the floor is adequate to complete assigned tasks?

There exist gaps between men as well; not everyone in a corp has to be a special forces operator! There's nothing physically grueling about pressing buttons, welding, driving, operating machinery or pushing on a joystick.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Most young men don't have wives or daughters. It's not 1850 anymore. I would rather both genders get drafted than be in a Ukraine situation where millions of women leave for richer countries while I am pulled off the street to go eat FPV drones. What's even the point? Why not surrender? What am I protecting or preserving?

> What's even the point? Rich people staying in power is the point. > Why not surrender? Surrendering is not always practicable. You will get killed if you're a liability to your captors. > What am I protecting or preserving? That's really only yours, and yours alone, to consider.

There is another option too: cooperate.

Any ruler wants active units of production (humans extracting money or gold or food), and for that it has to bring some sort of stable life environment and not be too greedy so people don't try to revolt.

Whether you get such through political negotiation before or after a war, or through a vote, or through a revolution, is the same as the end.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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If you ever wonder what is the role of professional army in case of any serious invasion or war. Their role is to hunt for conscripts, kidnap them, and transport them to the army recruitment centers.

I don't know where you are getting this, but this is very much not the role of professional armies in most invasions historically Usually when your country is invaded you don't stay in your silicon valley privileged mindset and you go to conscription willingly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busification - the definition of consent is very stretched.

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How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…

Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades. The people who are trying to make young men only doing the killing the norm are the same people trying to end feminism. Therefore, there is some logic in your question. When I was in Asia two years ago, as an American, every time I met a young Russian man escaping conscription, drinks were on me as appreciation to their co…

> Being able to serve is something the feminists have been fighting for the hardest over decades.

If any claim ever required "citation needed", this one is the biggest.

I've never seen feminists fight for duties, only for privileges.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Even with training the gap still persists, albeit to a lesser extent. Elite females are roughly as strong as the median male (without any extra training post drafting).

> Even with training the gap still persists Why does the gap matter if the floor is adequate to complete assigned tasks? There exist gaps between men as well; not everyone in a corp has to be a special forces operator! There's nothing physically grueling about pressing buttons, welding, driving, operating machinery or pushing on a joystick.

That is a shifting of the goal posts and a whole other discussion.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Why does it exclude women? War is not just physical strength, but also logistics, operating vehicles, operating drones, nursing, and so on. All tasks that women are well capable of.

What about man that has gender woman in papers?

Going to assume this phrasing is an awkward translation, but we can see how this works out in tolerant nations with conscription like Thailand. Typically, trans women who are already on a medical pathway are medically excluded from military service. This is less an affirmation of who they are by the military and more of a frank admission that their current state could never be made combat-ready. It's likely that even if SHTF, this would remain the status quo, because it's difficult to imagine draft resisters taking estrogen simply to avoid service. Even if treatment is largely done via informed consent, medical exclusion would likely require blood levels be in a certain range, or certain surgeries performed.
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