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AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by jLaForest »

01100011 wrote: post #216

The west should have just used cluster munitions in ballistic missiles. Apparently you can target civilians with those and no one will accuse you of war crimes. Drones hitting residential buildings, airports and critical energy infrastructure? No problem. If you use an F-35 and smart munitions we expect perfect accuracy though. This war is stupid, poorly planned, and likely to kick off a global recession. Trump and h…

The US is currently threatening to bomb power plants across Iran, which is a war crime. Yesterday the US spread land mines across a city that have already killed civilians. These are the actions of my government and it's my duty to stand up and be critical of war crimes being committed by my government. The idea that I am also obliged to criticize irans actions is bullshit. I hold my government to a higher standard, that's surprising to you?

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by epolanski »

YZF wrote: post #113
megous wrote: post #101

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Missing the forest for the trees, are you? Wars of aggression are against UN rules, and US is in the wrong regardless of what it hit. Feels like we're talking here about whether rapist should have known that the rapee was a child or an adult, and they had a good reason to believe it was an adult person (there was mother of the girl standing next to it, so, hard to distinguish...), so yeah, obviously a tragedy they ra…

Iran has been waging war since the Islamic Revolution and the US claims that there was a threat of attack on US bases and US interests and therefore the attack was in self defense. The body that decides is the UNSC and given the US has veto powers it's not going to obviously declare the US attack illegal. From Israel's perspective there's an even stronger self defense argument given the amount of missiles aimed at Is…

You can't relabel aggression like in Venezuela and now Iran as defense.

An aggression is an aggression.

As in tribunals, to claim you acted in self defense, you need proof.

And the Pentagon itself admits there were no threats.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by epolanski »

shykes wrote: post #321
alex43578 wrote: post #147

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At various times, and potentially via proxies: Iraq Saudi Arabia Israel Kurdish Rebels The US “All countries” via actions against shipping in the Red Sea and the Strait of Hormuz

Iran proxies were extremely active in Syria, as they were close allies of the Assad regime. They are responsible for countless exactions. In 1992 there was a deadly car bomb attack in Argentina, killing 29 people and injuring 250 more. Then again in 1994 a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 87 people. Eventually the investigation demonstrated conclusively that Iran was responsible.

You have better examples for Iran like Hezbollah and Hamas.

Albeit Hamas has been largely propped by Israel itself and Qatar.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by jLaForest »

shykes wrote: post #65
embedding-shape wrote: post #30

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> To this day we don't know what actually happened. I feel like we know enough already. A school was bombed, the ones who did it sucks big time and should be held responsible. Currently, the US and Israel is waging a war against Iran, and one of them dropped the bomb(s), unless suddenly Iran got their hands on American weapons, then that needs to be investigated too, because someone surely dropped the ball at that po…

I think it's likely that the explosion was caused by a US strike. But we don't actually know for sure that that's what happened - the US government has not confirmed it. We also don't know anything about casualties - we only have the IRGC statements, and they are not reliable. > Have those investigations been launched? Yes, according to the US government, an investigation is underway. But its starting point is determ…

I saw the video of men pulling children's severed body parts out of the rubble.

What caused the explosion? Again there's a video showing an American tomahawk middle hitting the building... Why so much equivocating? It's shameful

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Post by epolanski »

tootie wrote: post #300
lejalv wrote: post #270

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For a change, yes

China will be worse. Either Europe steps up or we just try living life without a hegemon.

Why do I have to keep believing China will be worse?

It's not china mass survelling the planet, the US is. It's not china starting wars, kidnapping foreign leaders, it's the US.

It's not china threatening their allies, not even going short of mentioning annexations, the US is.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by shykes »

epolanski wrote: post #333
shykes wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran proxies were extremely active in Syria, as they were close allies of the Assad regime. They are responsible for countless exactions. In 1992 there was a deadly car bomb attack in Argentina, killing 29 people and injuring 250 more. Then again in 1994 a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 87 people. Eventually the investigation demonstrated conclusively that Iran was responsible.

You have better examples for Iran like Hezbollah and Hamas. Albeit Hamas has been largely propped by Israel itself and Qatar.

> You have better examples for Iran like Hezbollah and Hamas.

Yes but that was mostly covered already by the comment I was responded to. I was just filling a few gaps in the list.

> Albeit Hamas has been largely propped by Israel itself and Qatar.

Qatar has certainly financed and supported Hamas a great deal.

Israel has absolutely not "propped up" Hamas. I'm aware of the allegations to the contrary, but they are wildly inflated nonsense. Israel and Hamas have been enemies to the death for decades.

Re: AI got the blame for the Iran school bombing. The truth is more worrying

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Post by shykes »

jLaForest wrote: post #334
shykes wrote: post #65

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I think it's likely that the explosion was caused by a US strike. But we don't actually know for sure that that's what happened - the US government has not confirmed it. We also don't know anything about casualties - we only have the IRGC statements, and they are not reliable. > Have those investigations been launched? Yes, according to the US government, an investigation is underway. But its starting point is determ…

I saw the video of men pulling children's severed body parts out of the rubble. What caused the explosion? Again there's a video showing an American tomahawk middle hitting the building... Why so much equivocating? It's shameful

Are you familiar with the Al-Ahli hospital incident in Gaza? We've been through this sort of circus before... Those of us who paid attention learned to not rush to conclusions, and never, ever trust social media or the western press to overcome or even understand information warfare.

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Post by swat535 »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #322
YZF wrote: post #61

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I couldn't find a web site for the school when I searched for one and I also noticed that while schools are generally marked on Google Maps in Iran this school was not. Both are IMO not really relevant or reliable sources of targeting data anyways. I found very little evidence searching online for the school but I did find something that looked like a blog about a school trip. Again though the Internet is not a relia…

Excuses. The fact is that the US routinely commits acts of perfidy. This was the second time they attacked Iran during negotiations. I've said before that I'm no fan of the Iranian mullah regime, but the US is basically run by war criminals. And they're proud of it. Albright and her "murdering 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it," Hillary and her "we came we saw he died," and Nobel Peace Prize Barack Hussein Obama wi…

Imagine if the inverse had happened: IRAN killed 170 American children. Then claimed it was "AI"'s fault.

I think the comment section here would look different.

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Post by Denzel »

shykes wrote: post #108
Denzel wrote: post #102

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https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/us/politics/iran-school-m... > An ongoing [United States] military investigation has determined that the United States is responsible for a deadly Tomahawk missile strike on an Iranian elementary school, according to U.S. officials and others familiar with the preliminary findings.

That article is based on anonymous sources ("according to [people] familiar with the preliminary findings"). It doesn't mean it's wrong, but it's not an official confirmation by the US government, and it only speaks to the responsibility of the strike, not the various claims of "killed children". Those sources don't say anything about casualties, or the presence of children. The NYT does its best to make it sound lik…

You’re acting like the U.S. government is a monolithic good faith actor right now. The current administration’s behavior is qualitatively different than past administrations.

Do you also believe this administration will ever officially confirm Renee Good and Alex Pretti were not domestic terrorists?

It’s hard to interpret your points charitably here.

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Post by Denzel »

dylan604 wrote: post #289
Denzel wrote: post #79

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So I read the entire TFA, where do you see “quotes [from] those in the know who believe this should have been eliminated as a target”? I saw no such quotes about the school in TFA. Maybe I missed it. > there was precisely one mis-strike in 1000s of sorties How did you verify this? Because I’ll remind you, the U.S. administration denied responsibility for some time before owning up to this due to public pressure. Abse…

> So I read the entire TFA, where do you see “quotes [from] those in the know who believe this should have been eliminated as a target”? I saw no such quotes about the school in TFA. Maybe I missed it. TFA is from The Guardian while GP you responded to specifically called out the NYT analysis. These are different things. Maybe reading the GP's suggested source would leave you with a different set of questions?

Friend, TFA commonly refers to the effing article that’s posted for discussion.

EDIT: The irony that GP then goes on the quote TFA and not NYT.

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