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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by rahimnathwani »

ModernMech wrote: post #329
rahimnathwani wrote: post #308

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That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. Anyone can walk into a church and become part of the congregation. Universities have gatekeepers.

There are many paths to college, and they require neither membership in nor adherence to ideals professed by the Democratic party. College campuses across America have people from every demographic axis - every race, religion, ethnicity, country, socioeconomic status, etc. Amongst them frequently are conservatives and white men. This is because the gate universities keep is based on merit , not ideology. Indeed, many…

  This is because the gate universities keep is based on merit, not ideology.
Many US universities have required prospective employees to demonstrate their adherence to preferred ideological stances, during processes for hiring and promotion.

This is widely documented:

https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-di...

I have read information about these mandatory statements on official web sites of universities themselves, so I know the issue isn't a fabrication.

Separately, SCOTUS found in both SFFA vs. Harvard and SFFA vs. UNC, that these universities did not admit students based solely on merit, but also discriminated against some individual students due to their race.

  Amongst them frequently are conservatives and white men.
Funny you should say that. A few days ago, a conservative white man filed a complaint against Cornell. He alleges (supported by written evidence) that Cornell deliberately set out to hire a non-white person for a particular role, and did so by making a shortlist of candidates without even advertising the role. More details here:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/cornell-university-discriminated...

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

The Trump administration alleges they violated the Equal protection clause, they haven't proven their case (and will try with all their might to avoid going to court over this). This is just more goon tactics by Trump, it should not get any more legitimacy than that.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

dgfitz wrote: post #148
nyeah wrote: post #54

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Stop and think about this rationally for a minute. A first-rate school needs to have an American football team. Otherwise it's basically not in any league.

Don't tell CalTech...

MIT also. Football is such a distraction in the US (I went to a school with a good football team, and people ask me how many games I attended...I can answer none).

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by moralestapia »

lawlessone wrote: post #322
water9 wrote: post #320

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did he reach his ultimate goal? Cause right now it sounds like he spent millions of dollars and didn’t achieve it

what if we just pretend he's an AI company and give him more shots at it?

Any private AI companies funded with government money?

(I know grants exist, but I mean, a significant chunk of their capital)

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Post by nulld3v »

defen wrote: post #325
nulld3v wrote: post #202

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AFAIK the protestors blocked everybody and did not discriminate. And they occupied only individual buildings or sections of campus, entry into campus as a whole was not restricted.

https://x.com/SiaKordestani/status/1785397163662745610 Private actors were preventing people from entering a public part of campus unless they signaled their "anti-Israel" bonafides. The school allowed this to continue, therefore they implicitly supported it.

Nah, the school was just taking the typical "corporate laissez faire" non-position position. It got worse later on when they started expelling the protestors by force. Very disappointing to see a school fighting it's own student body like this.

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Post by UncleMeat »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #304
UncleMeat wrote: post #302

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Racial discrimination in admissions? Prior to SFFA, the admissions process used by major universities was sanctioned by the Supreme Court. And further, UCLA had even stricter rules about race in admissions coming from the state.

UCLA had even stricter rules about race in admissions coming from the state. Do you believe that UCLA currently complies with Proposition 209, and has done so since it came into force?

The law that permits the federal government to cancel these grants has less strict requirements than Prop 209. For admissions policies to be a justification here they'd need to be so incredibly flagrantly violating Prop 209 that it'd be a joke.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by consumer451 »

slumberlust wrote: post #319
consumer451 wrote: post #296

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> soft power This term appears to have been redefined by podcast and twitter bros as something really, really bad. They can't define it, but it's bad. Similar to that four letter word that starts with "w."

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. What do you want to call it? Then we can focus the discussion on the issue and not semantics.

For soft power: non-violent projection of national interests and influence.

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

arp242 wrote: post #326
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #209

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Ben Shapiro is a particularly good example of that 2nd behavior. Loves to call Jews who don't think the same way he does "bad Jews".

"Self-hating Jew" is an old trope. I don't really follow the daily ramblings of Ben Shapiro, but I assume it's basically the same thing?

I think in this case it's more about "Netanyahu-hating Jews" than "Self-hating Jews"

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by michtzik »

te_chris wrote: post #133
nyeah wrote: post #125

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Sorry, that is a mix of speculative fiction and self-contradiction. The GOP supports Israel at least as strongly as the Democrats do. So how did Harris' support for Israel cost her the election? Supporting Israel, including acknowledging their right to respond militarily to terrorist attacks, is one thing. Falling deeply in love with Netanyahu's current policies is another. Freaking out and caring only about Hamas is…

Trump got less votes last time than when he lost to Biden. The democrats lost, trump didn’t win. People stayed home.

From Wikipedia right now:

2024: Trump 77,302,580

2020: Trump 74,223,975

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Post by theendisney »

mindslight wrote: post #323
fuzzfactor wrote: post #293

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Nope, that's more like trumpery. Well-recognized for centuries before the current crop of Trumps was even born: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trumpery OTOH "Conservatism" is simply the desire to hold on to, or conserve what there currently is, rather than progress toward something different. Whether the progress is for the better or worse or even if anybody knows for sure. Truly the opposite of "progress…

Thank you. We really need to stop letting the fascists/reactionaries cloak themselves in this label of conservative. They're a radical reactionary movement with the main goal of tearing down our societal institutions and effectively destroying America's standing in the world - the polar opposite of conservatism. Letting them continue to think of themselves as conservative assuages their own cognitive dissonance as to…

One of the things parties around the world have been successful at (as opposed to creating favorable law) is distorting and watering down other parties from within. Labor is anti laborer. Democrats are anti democrat, republicans hate the free market, conservatives want to change everything etc
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