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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

twixfel wrote: post #158
wiz21c wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Europe and according the common media outlets, the US absolutely, totally, forever support Israel. "largely" is too weak of a word here. And now honnest question: why is this support so strong in the US ? are the ties with the jewish/israely community so deep between these two peoples ?

The only country the Americans love and worship more than their own country is Israel. I can understand brain dead nationalism for your own country, but brain dead nationalism for another country, especially one doing the things Israel is doing... it's very strange.

There's at least a few factors in play...

Christian sects that believe the second coming of Jesus is not too far away believe that Israel's existence is critical to bring that to pass.

People with anti-muslim or anti-arabian feelings see Israel as a counterweight to muslim and arabian power in the middle east.

There's a lot of people who, consciously or not, equate anything other than total support for Israel with antisemitism.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by nulld3v »

zmgsabst wrote: post #95
lupusreal wrote: post #78

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> Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Translation: ULCA declined to violate the First Ammendment and allowed their students and faculty to criticize Israel.

Preventing Jews from entering the campus and threatening them are not protected by the 1st Amendment — that’s why UCLA settled the lawsuit for millions, because they had a duty to stop those acts. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/29/ucla-lawsuit...

AFAIK the protestors blocked everybody and did not discriminate. And they occupied only individual buildings or sections of campus, entry into campus as a whole was not restricted.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by cvoss »

hackyhacky wrote: post #167
throwaway290 wrote: post #147

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> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students" Of course suspending grants is probably the wrong way to go about it anyway, but since you brought this up... do you imply that it's false? I'm not in the US but I heard pretty interesting things about what was happening in universities following Oct 7.

Yes, it's false. Students have a first amendment right to express opinions, even anti-Zionist ones. The administration is using baseless charges of antisemitism as a cudgel to extract fealty and concessions from universities, which they see as opponents of their party.

The accusation from DOJ isn't about student speech, though. It's about the university's actions or inactions, which are not protected and are governed by obligations to Title VI discrimination law.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by hermitcrab »

vFunct wrote: post #32
willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

What's going to be interesting is when the next Democratic administration comes into power, they're going to be extremely anti-Israel, given that the Democratic base is fully against Israel now at a 5:1 ratio. There will never be another Democratic President that supports Israel (none of the pro-israel candidates have any hope of ever being President) and this will mean extremely hard anti-Israeli action, using prece…

>People should accept that Israel lost against Hamas

It looks to me that the extremists in Hamas gave extremist Israelis the excuse to do what they always wanted to do. And everyone who isn't an extremist lost. Meanwhile, the Hamas leadership are living in 5 star luxury in Qatar.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

frob wrote: post #163
mgaunard wrote: post #118

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why does US law have articles to specifically protect one ethnic group instead of being generic and protecting them all?

Thw law is very obviously being abused here by Trump and his administration to punish unfavored speech and unfavored groups. They dont care about equal protection one bit. They want to punish academics and universities so that Trump et al can controll their speech.

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

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Post by hackyhacky »

cvoss wrote: post #203
hackyhacky wrote: post #167

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Yes, it's false. Students have a first amendment right to express opinions, even anti-Zionist ones. The administration is using baseless charges of antisemitism as a cudgel to extract fealty and concessions from universities, which they see as opponents of their party.

The accusation from DOJ isn't about student speech, though. It's about the university's actions or inactions, which are not protected and are governed by obligations to Title VI discrimination law.

You're right, but the university is not allowed to censor student speech based on content. The "actions" that the administration claims the university should have taken would have violated the constitution.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

dcre wrote: post #176
hackyhacky wrote: post #170

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How do you explain the large number of Jewish students participating in the protests against Israeli policy?

The answer here usually requires either denial of their presence or arguing that they are in some sense not real Jews because of their political views.

Ben Shapiro is a particularly good example of that 2nd behavior. Loves to call Jews who don't think the same way he does "bad Jews".

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by kj4211cash »

wiz21c wrote: post #90
Hikikomori wrote: post #73

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The party largely fully supports Israel.

I live in Europe and according the common media outlets, the US absolutely, totally, forever support Israel. "largely" is too weak of a word here. And now honnest question: why is this support so strong in the US ? are the ties with the jewish/israely community so deep between these two peoples ?

You and the other replies focus too much on the Jewish community within the US. Support for Israel is very strong in the US, particularly among Republicans, because of the rise of Evangelical Christians. Evangelicals have ... religious reasons for supporting of Israel. They also strongly identify with Europe and people with European backgrounds. They have an inability to identify with Palestinians.
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