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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by protocolture »

leereeves wrote: post #238
throwaway5752 wrote: post #222

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That's pure speculation, but quite possible. Corruption is nothing new in Washington. The real question is whether people support bringing auto manufacturing back to America. As always, people who like the policy/candidate/official will overlook the corruption, while people who dislike the policy/candidate/official complain about it. The people who demanded evidence about Biden will accept speculation about Trump, ju…

American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms.

Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end.

There must be some quirk with US postage where it is cheaper to buy foreign goods than it is to purchase outgoing postage.

I keep trying to buy local self pub (as in proper self pub, not just Amazon POD) books from americans and the half that actually permit foreigners to buy their books have actively stopped permitting their promotions to be accessed by foreigners.

I used to try to buy hobby stuff (militaria etc) from americans via eBay and 90+% of them would explicitly tell ROW to get bent in the listing.

And etsy postage from yankistan? Forget about it.

Kickstarter postage from the USA? Often as much as the product.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by protocolture »

mmooss wrote: post #319
leereeves wrote: post #284

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> Murder is nothing new in my city Murder is an interesting example, because like corruption, people overlook it when "their side" does it. Governments employ soldiers to do it on demand. Gang members and mafiosos use it as a tool. Sometimes people even celebrate it, such as equating body count with success in war. The problem in politics is that everyone seems to choose a side, then apply that same kind of double st…

> Murder is an interesting example, because like corruption, people overlook it when "their side" does it. No they don't. If someone I know committed murder, like almost everyone - organized crime members are very few in the population - I would absolutely not overlook it. What an absurd argument. Warfare is entirely different.

You literally say "No i would never support murder under any conditions" and then you identified the condition, warfare, under which you support it.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by vitus »

afavour wrote: post #310
loeg wrote: post #289

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Trump isn't a free market ideologue and never has been. I'm not sure what you expected. He didn't conceal his viewpoints; if you are surprised, I think you weren't paying much attention.

The Republican Party on the other hand is very much in favor of the free market… or was. Many long time Republicans turned on a dime and deserve to be called out on it.

They were in favor of the free market from Reagan onwards. But the party was founded on the premise that tariffs would protect their northern constituents and industries, and they took over a century to shake that tendency. Perhaps the only Republican president before Reagan who was in favor of lowering tariffs was Eisenhower, as part of rebuilding globally after WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Ac...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock

Meanwhile, as others have pointed out, our current president has been advocating for tariffs for about as long as the Republicans were in favor of the free market.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/trumps-tariff-str...

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Post by bilbo0s »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #219
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #144

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What I personally find more interesting is that they consciously did not choose a more conciliatory number ( like 80 ), which would capture more cars and have the benefit of being able to deflect attacks. Almost like it was intended to cause uproar. Otoh, I listened to conservative ratio the other day and the general tone was "good, he is making them mad and he doesn't care."

that's what gets them excited.. "owning the libs"

It's time for Europe to de link from the US.

If that's the way policy decisions are going to be made every time conservatives come to power in the US, then it's best that the rest of the world not go down with the US when the time comes.

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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

matwood wrote: post #194
sidibe wrote: post #41

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Can't forget being "for the rule of law".

Back the blue, unless of course it's the Capitol Police.

I tend to think of "rule of law" as describing the fairness of the courts. But then you need effective law enforcement for the courts to mean anything.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by rat87 »

porphyra wrote: post #164
lenerdenator wrote: post #115

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> In the long run, unions can be blamed for this whole Trump Presidency. Yeah, how dare they do the things that make reactionaries be... reactionary.

The democrats also tried to pass legislation in 2021 that excludes Tesla from an EV credit due to it being not built by unions, even though Tesla has by far the largest share of electric vehicles and is the most productive and innovative company in this sector.

Yeah because they were anti union. It wasn't because of any personal dislike of Elon.

And it was inevitable that the more mainstream automakers would sell more evs then Tesla as EVs became a larger and larger share of cars sold. Granted it's taking longer than expected but Tesla is no longer the majority even if it's overall has a large plurality but falling pretty fast

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Post by _t9ow »

digianarchist wrote: post #148
tim333 wrote: post #111

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It's hard to label Trump a free market ideologue. He's more Mr tarrif man. If you want free markets look more to Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore (#1 on the "Index of Economic Freedom"). One of the virtues of proper free markets is the markets largely figure which companies win in a relatively non corrupt way, rather than politicians leaning on the scales.

The Singaporean government's hand in it's own economy is larger than a lot of self-professed communist states - Temasek Holdings, Mediacorp, DBS Bank, Singapore Airlines etc etc.

I never understood why libertarians/free market proponents think that Singapore is the paragon of laissez-faire economics. Try studying the country's housing market policies, for example, and you'll quickly realise that the government is extremely interventionist.

The difference is between Singaporean policymakers/civil servants and their counterparts from elsewhere is that the former are actually world-class in terms of competence, and their interventions are generally very well-designed/well-justified.

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Post by getcrunk »

bunderbunder wrote: post #211
intermerda wrote: post #25

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You can extend the "free market ideologues" to include more groups such as those who were very concerned about free speech for exactly four years from 2021-2024. Same people were concerned about politicization of justice department, but only when certain Presidents are in office. Same goes for "respect for constitution". "Family values" was abandoned quite a while ago. Wilhoit’s Law has never been truer.

I have come to believe that many people's political attitudes can be boiled down to a single uniting element: an overwhelming fear that other people might do to them the kinds of things that they would absolutely do to other people if given half a chance.

Is that like projection?
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