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Post by guappa »

spencerflem wrote: post #308
kstrauser wrote: post #304

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How many social credits are you getting for these posts? You went from “eh, China isn’t so bad” to “Tiananmen Square protestors had it coming” within one thread.

Yeah , that's wild. The proper move would be to show the very similar US response to Students Protests - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings They sent in the goons to beat up and arrest students protesting genocide or climate change too. Hasn't gotten to tanks yet but truthfully it doesn't need to because we both know those protests aren't doing anything. If there was a credible student uprising it w…

Thanks, I only knew about the USA bombing workers on strike.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by kstrauser »

guappa wrote: post #330
kstrauser wrote: post #304

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How many social credits are you getting for these posts? You went from “eh, China isn’t so bad” to “Tiananmen Square protestors had it coming” within one thread.

I could ask you how much you get paid to write comments supporting the genocide of palestinians… You people with no morals try really really hard to twist words uh? But at the end of the day you're just a sad racist.

Link or didn’t happen, comrade.

I’ll save you time: you won’t find one.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ben_w »

dartos wrote: post #303
falcor84 wrote: post #274

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I don't know how you compare, but ChatGPT's English grammar and vocabulary are significantly better than mine. And when I prompt it appropriately, it also seems to be a better creative writer than I am, at least for short pieces.

> it also seems to be a better creative writer than I am, at least for short pieces Don’t be so hard on yourself. Chatgpt (and other LLMs) are awful at creative prose.

> Chatgpt (and other LLMs) are awful at creative prose.

As are most humans.

Don't get me wrong, what I've seen from even the better LLMs have a certain voice and tropes and sacherine worldview that isn't dark enough where it needs to be for the story to work; but on the other hand, what I see on some fiction writing subreddits… the AI is often a genuine improvement over amateur writers, even in cases where the AI contradicts itself about plot elements.

Which is frustrating, because I have the feeling the novel I've been trying to finish writing for the last decade may be usurped by AI before I get my final draft.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by ben_w »

dartos wrote: post #306
TeMPOraL wrote: post #254

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> There’s literally nothing an llm can write or tell you that you can’t write yourself or find in a manual somewhere. That's like saying, there's literally nothing a service business can do for you that you can't do yourself. It's only true in a theoretical sense, if neither time nor resources are a constraint. In such hypothetical universe, you don't need a dentist - you only need to spend 5+ years in medical school…

> That's like saying, there's literally nothing a service business can do for you that you can't do yourself. No, it’s not. You’re making my statement abstract for the sake of arguing. I’m not a cook, doctor, or a lawyer. I can’t prepare meals for a party of more than 2. I can’t perform surgery. I can’t effectively defend myself in a court of law. I (and I assume OP) have programming expertise. I can write exactly al…

> No, it’s not. You’re making my statement abstract for the sake of arguing.

> I’m not a cook, doctor, or a lawyer. I can’t prepare meals for a party of more than 2.

They are demonstrating how over-broad your own statement was with an *equivalent* statement to show how it only passes on an unhelpful technicality.

Immediately after your quotation is this:

> you only need to spend 5+ years in medical school + whatever extra it takes to become proficient

LLMs pass the bar exam and the medical exam. These are things which I assume I would be able to do myself if only I were willing to dedicate 5 years of my life to each.

> I can write exactly all code an llm could write.

I can often see many errors in the code that ChatGPT produces. Within my domain, it's just a speed-up, a first draft I have to fix. Outside my domain, it knows what I *can't* Google because I've never heard the keyword that would allow me to.

On legal questions, ChatGPT (despite passing the bar exam) seems to make up cases. I belive this because I can google the cases and fail to find them. Is this because they don't exist, or because they're not indexed on Google? I don't have the legal background necessary to know — and it would take me years to get the knowledge necessary to differentiate "it's worse than first glance" from "it's better than second glance".

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Post by ryandrake »

throwaind29k wrote: post #324
diggan wrote: post #311

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> But if it's for some personal project that you're putting on Github, does it matter? I don't think the fear is that they'll steal code you'll end putting publicly on GitHub, but everything else. I guess there is some fear that it won't just analyze and process what you currently have open, but might scrape your computer for more data and so on. I personally don't believe ByteDance would be stupid enough to even att…

You don't trust the OS do that kind of safeguarding?

Desktop OS's typically don't protect one application's data from another, or the system's data from an application. At least not out of the box without configuring some kind of sandboxing solution.

The user-based permissions model is an outdated dinosaur from a time when we could trust the applications we run on our systems to act on our behalf. Applications now act on the developer's behalf, often against the user. An application "running as me" should not have access to every resource (file or peripheral) on the device that I have access to. That's a huge blast radius.

Operating Systems really need to start treating developers as adversarial from a security/permissions point of view.

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Post by cma »

latexr wrote: post #236
animuchan wrote: post #230

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I'm thinking about this the same way, if a bit more selfishly: as a non-US citizen, I might want to move to the US in the future. Which is why I would like the US govt to have as little data as possible about me (who knows what the mainstream politics will look like, things that are very innocent today might be punishable by death in 10 years). Chinese govt, on the other hand, can have my data freely, since I don't t…

> I might want to move to the US in the future. > (…) (who knows what the mainstream politics will look like, things that are very innocent today might be punishable by death in 10 years). Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think I’d ever consider moving to a country where I believed politics to be so unstable that an action could go from “very innocent” to “punishable by death” in the span of a decade.

Look at what almost just happened in South Korea, it can be very sudden and out of character.

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Post by mostlysimilar »

redviperpt wrote: post #229
_Algernon_ wrote: post #142

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It doesn't though. You can still code the old fashioned way, and you are even likely to become a better programmer for it. Personally, I tried copilot when I got it for free as a student and it didnt make a difference. The reason I know is that I was coding on two devices, one which had copilot installed the other didnt, and I didnt care enough to install it on the latter through an entire semester. Its just slightly…

I agree with your overall point, but Cursor's autocomplete is significantly betters than copilots.

Then don't use autocomplete.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by spencerflem »

guappa wrote: post #330
kstrauser wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many social credits are you getting for these posts? You went from “eh, China isn’t so bad” to “Tiananmen Square protestors had it coming” within one thread.

I could ask you how much you get paid to write comments supporting the genocide of palestinians… You people with no morals try really really hard to twist words uh? But at the end of the day you're just a sad racist.

They got u there tho, I'm with you that there's a ton of China hate deliberately stoked by US Govt and media, mostly as a distraction from out problems at home.

But there's nothing to defend about Tiananmen Square

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by rubslopes »

guappa wrote: post #162
msoad wrote: post #67

Can someone please do some security research on this to see what it sends when it calls home? I'm terrified to install a binary like that

VScode phones home… what's the difference? Use something like emacs/vim/kate/eclipse/qtcreator if you want to avoid "phone home" software.

If an American company does something bad with my data, it's possible -- not guaranteed, but possible -- that it will be punished.

If a Chinese company does the same, at most someone in China will shrug.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by codr7 »

falcor84 wrote: post #274
tarkonaut wrote: post #266

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> they're literally better than you at anything except the few things you happen to be experienced in Like speaking english and coding?

I don't know how you compare, but ChatGPT's English grammar and vocabulary are significantly better than mine. And when I prompt it appropriately, it also seems to be a better creative writer than I am, at least for short pieces.

Except it has no freaking idea what it's doing, that's the difference.
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