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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by jbarrow » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 5:59 PM UTC

iandanforth wrote: post #327

jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

Sounds like you might be more the target for the $3k 128GB DIGITS machine.

I’m really curious what training is going to be like on it, though. If it’s good, then absolutely! :)

But it seems more aimed at inference from what I’ve read?

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by rtkwe » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 5:59 PM UTC

vonneumannstan wrote: post #311

voidUpdate wrote: post #198

Ooo, that means its probably time for me to get a used 2080, or maybe even a 3080 if I'm feeling special

a 4070 has much better performance for much cheaper than a 3080...

Any the 4070 Super is relatively available too. I just bought one with only a small amount of hunting. Bought it right off of Best Buy, originally tried going to the Microcenter near my parent's house while I was down there but should have bought the card online for pickup. In the 2 days between my first check and arriving at the store ~20 cards sold.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by frognumber » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:00 PM UTC

nfriedly wrote: post #269

garbageman wrote: post #256

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Intel ARC B580 is $249 MSRP and right up your alley in that case.

Yep. If I needed a new GPU, that's what I'd go for. I'm pretty happy with what I have for the moment, though.

I'd go for the A770 over the B580. 16GB > 12GB, and that makes a difference for a lot of AI workloads.

An older 3060 12GB is also a better option than the B580. It runs around $280, and has much better compatibility (and, likely, better performance).

What I'd love to see on all of these are specs on idle power. I don't mind the 5090 approaching a gigawatt peak, but I want to know what it's doing the rest of the time sitting under my desk when I just have a few windows open and am typing a document.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by Scene_Cast2 » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:01 PM UTC

jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

I heavily power limited my 4090. Works great.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by wruza » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:01 PM UTC

agloe_dreams wrote: post #230

wruza wrote: post #151

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Why do you need one of those as a gamer? 1080ti was 120+ fps in heavy realistic looking games. 20xx RT slashed that back to 15 fps, but is RT really necessary to play games? Who cares about real-world reflections? And reviews showed that RT+DLSS introduced so many artefacts sometimes that the realism argument seemed absurd. Any modern card under $1000 is more than enough for graphics in virtually all games. The gamin…

A bunch of new games are RT-only. Nvidia has aggressively marketed on the idea that RT, FG, and DLSS are "must haves" in game engines and that 'raster is the past'. Resolution is also a big jump. 4K 120Hz in HDR is rapidly becoming common and the displays are almost affordable (esp. so for TV-based gaming). In fact, as of today, Even the very fastest RTX 4090 cannot run CP2077 at max non-RT settings and 4K at 120fps.…

I'm an ex-gamer, pretty recent ex-, and I own 4070Ti currently (just to show I'm not a grumpy GTX guy). Max settings are nonsensical. You never want to spend 50% of frame budget on ASDFAA x64. Lowering AA alone to barely noticeable levels makes a game run 30-50% faster*. Anyone who chooses a graphics card may watch benchmarks and basically multiply FPS by 1.5-2 because that's what playable settings will be. And 4K is a matter of taste really, especially in "TV" segment where it's a snakeoil resolution more than anything else.

* also you want to ensure your CPU doesn't C1E-power-cycle every frame and your frametimes don't look like EKG. There's much more to performance tuning than just buying a $$$$$ card. It's like installing a V12 engine into a rusted fiat. If you want performance, you want RTSS, AB, driver settings, bios settings, then 4090.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:02 PM UTC

chmod775 wrote: post #281

> will be two times faster [...] thanks to DLSS 4 Translation: No significant actual upgrade. Sounds like we're continuing the trend of newer generations being beaten on fps/$ by the previous generations while hardly pushing the envelope at the top end. A 3090 is $1000 right now.

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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by rtkwe » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:03 PM UTC

Wololooo wrote: post #221

steelframe wrote: post #201

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At that time I ended up just buying a gaming PC packaged with the card. I find it's generally worth it to upgrade all the components of the system along with the GPU every 3 years or so.

This goes at a significant premium for on average OEM parts that are subpar. Buying individually yields much better results and these days it's less of a hassle than it used to.

It was likely from an integrator not a huge OEM that's spinning their own proprietary motherboard designs like Dell. In that case they only really paid the integrator's margin and lost the choice of their own parts.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by grogenaut » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:03 PM UTC

doix wrote: post #209

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

The founders edition ones that I had were not great gpus. They were both under cooled and over cooled. They had one squirrel cage style blower that was quite loud and powerful and ran bascially at no speed or full blast. But being that it only had the one airpath and one fan it got overwhelmed by dust or if that blower fan had issues the gpu over heated. The consumer / 3rd party made ones usually have multiple fans at lower speeds larger diameter, multiple flow paths, and more control. TL;DR they were better designed, nvidia took the data center ram as much air as you can in there approach which isn't great for your home pc.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by lifeformed » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:06 PM UTC

necheffa wrote: post #245

kllrnohj wrote: post #150

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> There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example. Not when you turn on ray tracing. Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway

> Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway Uhhhhhmmmmmm....what are you smoking? Almost no one is playing competitive shooters and such at 4k. For those games you play at 1080p and turn off lots of eye candy so you can get super high frame rates because that does actually give you an edge. People playing at 4k are doing immersive story driven games and consistent 60fps is perfectly fine for that, y…

Anyone playing games would benefit from higher frame rate no matter their case. Of course it's most critical for competitive gamers, but someone playing a story driven FPS at 4k would still benefit a lot from framerates higher than 60.

For me, I'd rather play a story based shooter at 1440p @ 144Hz than 4k @ 60Hz.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by bmenrigh » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 6:08 PM UTC

jbarrow wrote: post #331

iandanforth wrote: post #327

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Sounds like you might be more the target for the $3k 128GB DIGITS machine.

I’m really curious what training is going to be like on it, though. If it’s good, then absolutely! :) But it seems more aimed at inference from what I’ve read?

I was wondering the same thing. Training is much more memory-intensive so the usual low memory of consumer GPUs is a big issue. But with 128GB of unified memory the Digits machine seems promising. I bet there are some other limitations that make training not viable on it.