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Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by officeplant » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:17 PM UTC

oliwarner wrote: post #126

paxys wrote: post #14

Even though they are all marketed as gaming cards, Nvidia is now very clearly differentiating between 5070/5070 Ti/5080 for mid-high end gaming and 5090 for consumer/entry-level AI. The gap between xx80 and xx90 is going to be too wide for regular gamers to cross this generation.

The only difference is scalar. That isn't differentiating, that's segregation. It won't stop crypto and LLM peeps from buying everything (one assumes TDP is proportional too). Gamers not being able to find an affordable option is still a problem.

>Gamers not being able to find an affordable option is still a problem.

Used to think about this often because I had a side hobby of building and selling computers for friends and coworkers that wanted to get into gaming, but otherwise had no use for a powerful computer.

For the longest time I could still put together $800-$1000 PC's that could blow consoles away and provide great value for the money.

Now days I almost want to recommend they go back to console gaming. Seeing older ps5's on store shelves hit $349.99 during the holidays really cemented that idea. Its so astronomically expensive for a PC build at the moment unless you can be convinced to buy a gaming laptop on a deep sale.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by tharmas » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:20 PM UTC

Havoc wrote: post #224

ActionHank wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are intentionally keeping the VRAM small on these cards to force people to buy their larger, more expensive offerings.

Saw someone else point out that potentially the culprit here isn’t nvidia but memory makers. It’s still 2gb per chip and has been since forever

GDDR7 apparently has the capability of 3gb per chip. As it becomes more available their could be more VRAM configurations. Some speculate maybe an RTX 5080 Super 24gb release next year. Wishful thinking perhaps.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by mrweasel » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:21 PM UTC

doix wrote: post #209

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

Didn't Nvidia piss of some of their board partners at some point. I think EVGA stopped making Nvidia based graphics cards because of poor behavior on Nvidia part?

Also aren't most of the business cards made by Nvidia directly... or at least Nvidia branded?

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by geertj » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:22 PM UTC

jmuguy wrote: post #219

geertj wrote: post #173

Any advice on how to buy the founders edition when it launches, possibly from folks who bought the 4090 FE last time around? I have a feeling there will be a lot of demand.

Do you live somewhat near a Microcenter? They'll likely have these as in-store pick up only, no online reservations, 1 per customer. Recently got a 9800X3D CPU from them, its nice they're trying to prevent scalping.

I do! Great advice. Going off on a tangent, when I recently visited my Microcenter after a few years of not going there, it totally gave me 80s vibes and I loved it. Staff fit the "computer nerd" stereotype accurately, including jeans shirts and ponytails. And best of all they actually wanted to talk to me and help me find stuff, and were knowledgeable.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by nfriedly » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:23 PM UTC

bee_rider wrote: post #214

marxisttemp wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish more games had an option for N64/Xbox-level graphics to maximize frame rate. No eye candy tastes as good as 120Hz feels.

I’m sure you could do N64 style graphics at 120Hz on an iGPU with modern hardware, hahaha. I wonder if that would be a good option for competitive shooters. I don’t really mind low frame rates, but latency is often noticeable and annoying. I often wonder if high frame rates are papering over some latency problems in modern engines. Buffering frames or something like that.

Doom 2016 at 1080p with a 50% resolution scale (so, really, 540p) can hit 120 FPS on an AMD 8840U. That's what I've been doing on my GPD Win Mini, except that I usually cut the TDP down to 11-13W, where it's hitting more like 90-100 FPS. It looks and feels great!

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by garbageman » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:24 PM UTC

nfriedly wrote: post #250

Meh. Feels like astronomical prices for the smallest upgrades they could get away with. I miss when high-end GPUs were $300-400, and you could get something reasonable for $100-200. I guess that's just integrated graphics these days. The most I've ever spent on a GPU is ~$300, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon, so it'll be a long time before I'll even consider one of these cards.

Intel ARC B580 is $249 MSRP and right up your alley in that case.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by tharmas » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:25 PM UTC

ActionHank wrote: post #191

blixt wrote: post #156

Pretty interesting watching their tech explainers on YouTube about the changes in their AI solutions. Apparently they switched from CNNs to transformers for upscaling (with ray tracing support) if I understood correctly though for frame generation makes even more sense to me. 32 GB VRAM on the highest end GPU seems almost small after running LLMs with 128 GB RAM on the M3 Max, but the speed will most likely more than…

They are intentionally keeping the VRAM small on these cards to force people to buy their larger, more expensive offerings.

Totally agree. I call this the "Apple Model". Just like the Apple Mac base configurations with skimpy RAM and Drive capacities to make the price look "reasonable". However, just like Apple, NVIDIA does make really good hardware.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by TrackerFF » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:25 PM UTC

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

GPUs are in demand.

So scalpers want to make a buck on that.

All there is to it. Whenever demand surpasses supply, someone will try to make money off that difference. Unfortunately for consumers, that means scalpers use bots to clean out retail stores, and then flip them to consumers.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by officeplant » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:25 PM UTC

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #181

smallmancontrov wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but Nvidia thinks enough of them get pushed up to the 5090 to make the gap worthwhile. Only way to fix this is for AMD to decide it likes money. I'm not holding my breath.

AMD announced they aren't making a top tier card for the next generation and is focusing on mid-tier. Next generation, the are finally reversing course and unifying their AI and GPU architectures (just like nVidia). 2026 is the big year for AMD.

AMD's GPU marketing during CES has been such a shit show. No numbers, just adjectives and vibes. They're either hiding their hand, or they continue to have nothing to bring to the table.

Meanwhile their CPU marketing has numbers and graphs because their at the top of their game and have nothing to hide.

I'm glad they exist because we need the competition, but the GPU market continues to look dreary. At least we have a low/mid range battle going on between the three companies to look forward to for people with sensible gaming budgets.

Re: Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by theandrewbailey » Tue, Jan 07, 2025, 4:26 PM UTC

pier25 wrote: post #228

AI is going to push the price closer to $3000. See what happened with crypto a couple of years back.

The ~2017 crypto rush told Nvidia how much people were willing to spend on GPUs, so they priced their next series (RTX 2000) much higher. 2020 came around, wash, rinse, repeat.