It feels very resistant to doing anything other than summarizing. Even when you ask questions for details, the answer is always in the form of a simple summary.
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#332Am I the only person who isn't hugely interested in summarizing emails? I don't want emails summarized because that bypasses a tell-tale sign that said email isn't worth reading in the first place.
I agree, I've read about lots of LLM-based services for summarising content, and I really wonder whether that's because this is something so many people want, or if it's just because it's something LLMs are good at so they are easy to build and then they get hyped because LLM.
Anything that can be expressed in a few sentences, should be, and I tend not to read media that doesn't abide by that rule. If I'm reading long-form content it's because I am looking for detail and nuance that would be lost in a summary.
I do think a reliable video summary generator could be useful occasionally. Interestingly Orbit seems to work on YouTube, presumably by parsing YT's auto-generated transcript.
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#333I have to ask: why, exactly, does it make sense for Mozilla to invest heavily into running expensive servers to run vanity chat bots for people? What's the path here to something which improves their financial situation or browser market share? How isn't this just yet another random service they'll throw money into for a couple of years before shutting down?
Because if they don't they will not have feature parity with Chrome (Gemini) and Edge (Copilot).
And while not all people are fond of AI, there are shit tons of people out there who do. Which means you automatically diminish your market share if you don't (because your most important competitors do)
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#334From a product standpoint, I am curious if sidebar is the right way to integrate AI features in the browser? Did anyone see any better integrated solutions?
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it would do a lot more and a lot more sustainably if it focused on the core mission of its browser. Some numbers to put things in perspective: https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/defaults-matter-dont-assume... FF is still a solid choice, privacy-wise (with some manual tweaking), but just in the past few years 80-90% of their revenue came from adtech partnerships, so expect a series of rug pulls like the recent ones.
> so expect a series of rug pulls like the recent ones. I think it's rather the other way around; i.e. it is you that should lower your expectations from a free tool provided by a non-profit company.
Unless I misunderstood your comment completely I think we’re saying the same thing:)
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#336I installed it and it's a giant floating popup that's permanently on your screen. You can enable the "minimal" theme in the settings to turn it into a smaller-but-still-big pill shape. It doesn't look like there's a way to hide it in a context menu, at least not one I can see. I don't fancy having a random floaty object in the way of my webpages, no thank you. Edit: It appears to go away occasionally. This UX is uncl…
Same complaint here, uninstalled immediately
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#337Stopped reading after "AI you can trust"
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah I didn't know they've finally done that. I'll have to give it another try. If the password manager works well (e.g. with apps) and I can make the app drawer search open in Firefox then I'll probably switch.
> make the app drawer search open in Firefox Curious about you mean here. On my android phone the "search for more apps" link in the app drawer search goes to the Play Store app. Why would you want it to open a browser?
After investigation it's actually a feature of the Pixel launcher. In the app drawer there's a search bar that searches apps and the web. It opens search results in the "Google" app, and when you click one by default it uses Chrome.
I found you can make it use Firefox by disabling the setting "Open web pages in the app".
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#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
Their browser is fine. But so is Chrome, and Chrome wins by default because it's installed by default on Android and Android really pushes you to it. Once you're using Chrome on Android and have all your passwords saved there, Firefox is a difficult sell. I can't think of a single Firefox feature that's better than "I don't have to faff around with passwords". Maybe if they allowed adblock on mobile, but last I check…
Their android browser is kind of terrible. It's significantly more sluggish than chrome, bordering on unusable on some websites. Maybe there's a state of the art flagship phone out there somewhere that can run firefox android and see it perform well, but I've sure never seen it run well.
Yeah it does seem rather more sluggish than Chrome in scrolling. Adblock works though which is nice.
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#340I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…
That is always how this stuff works. Capture people with nice features and a friendly approach and then rug pull. There is zero chance I ever use this BS. I don't trust Apple either. I do not want LLM integration period because no corporation can ever under any circumstance be trusted with privacy in regards to it.