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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 6:37 PM UTC

tananan wrote: post #246

harrall wrote: post #215

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I’ll tell you why this happens. You might use ChatGPT for a bit and your initial impressions will be great. It does what I ask of it! You might be aware that it makes mistakes sometimes, but when you use it, you don’t notice it because you’re using it interactively. Now if LLMs are just effective as your experience says, they are indeed extremely useful and you absolutely should see if they can help you. It’s only wh…

This definitely resonates but I'm left wondering why there hasn't been a collective "sobering up" on this front. Not on a personal/team/company level, but just in terms of the general push to cram AI into everything. For how much longer will new s assault us in software where it ostensibly won't be that useful? It seems that the effort required to make an LLM work robustly within a single context (spreadsheet, worddo…

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by reilly3000 » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 6:40 PM UTC

reilly3000 wrote: post #322

Here is what I want from Apple Intelligence: Given a user story “I chipped my tooth” I say “hey siri, I just chipped my tooth, can you help me?” I would want it to: - help me schedule an appointment with my dentist (it could create a reminder, ideally know who my dentist is, even ideally queue up or place a call) - put that appointment on my home and work calendar - remind me to tell my manager I need the time away -…

Ohh and I would like to be able to tell it not to keep featuring photos of my ex wife years after the divorce.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by r00fus » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 6:47 PM UTC

_heimdall wrote: post #19

everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

> We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work Unless you work at Microsoft, that's really interesting to me. Can't say I've ever experienced a boss pushing for me to use a certain developer tool.

Makes complete sense - some higher-up is betting on LLMs to make a big change to the org. If they're right, then leadership looks amazing (we got in early on a transformative new technology/tool that has resulted in major productivity wins!)

If they're wrong - they also look good (we tried the latest fad, pushed everyone to really give it a go, and decided it wasn't worth it).

No trial period for CoPilot means everyone wants to get their team to jump in and make the most of it quickly so they can evaluate whether to renew it next year.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by r00fus » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 6:51 PM UTC

reilly3000 wrote: post #332

reilly3000 wrote: post #322

Here is what I want from Apple Intelligence: Given a user story “I chipped my tooth” I say “hey siri, I just chipped my tooth, can you help me?” I would want it to: - help me schedule an appointment with my dentist (it could create a reminder, ideally know who my dentist is, even ideally queue up or place a call) - put that appointment on my home and work calendar - remind me to tell my manager I need the time away -…

Ohh and I would like to be able to tell it not to keep featuring photos of my ex wife years after the divorce.

Yeah, maybe just remove those from your library (archive them somewhere)?

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by Smaug123 » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 6:58 PM UTC

llm_nerd wrote: post #298

Smaug123 wrote: post #287

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"It's all just code, how hard can it be, and your NDAs don't apply" is certainly a take, but some people do actually solve problems whose solutions aren't already on the Internet and are forbidden from exfiltrating code! The fact that you don't solve such problems and are not bound by such NDAs is not a huge piece of evidence, to be honest. Can you imagine even in principle a piece of evidence that would convince you…

Who said that NDAs don't apply? If you need to strawman to make an argument, just save the bits and skip doing it. And yes, in the end all code distills down to shit that is very similar to the countless billions of lines of code on the internet. Everything -- every single project that anyone on this site is working on -- is a bunch of glued together shit where 90% (more like 99% Probably 99.9%) of it is in common wi…

You certainly strongly implied that NDAs don't apply with the phrase "their magically novel, super unique code is just too secret". You used the words "is just too secret" sarcastically, which led me to believe you think in fact the work is not too secret to exfiltrate to the LLMs on the Internet: that is, that NDAs don't apply.

> In reality a programmer could yield immense value from such tools having a) given it zero lines of their code, b) used zero lines of the code it generated.

We simply have different experiences of life! I think with the advent of Claude 3.5 Sonnet the LLMs have just about edged out ahead in terms of time saved vs time wasted, for me, but before Sonnet I'm fairly confident they were moderately net negative for me.

Can you give some concrete examples of where they've helped you this dramatically? With links to chat logs? I still don't understand how people are finding them so useful, and I keep asking people and they keep not providing chat logs so I can see what they're doing.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by falcor84 » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 7:08 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #118

falcor84 wrote: post #77

> the survey recorded 73% of Apple Intelligence users ... stating the new features to be either ‘not very valuable’ or they ‘add little to no value’ to their smartphone experience. They make it sound negative, but I'm lacking context on how it compares to other recent features. I actually would assume that with 27% of users finding a feature to be somewhat valuable, it's a relatively successful launch.

someone else made a similar comment already, and I just don't understand why you default to 27% liking it. Of those responding, less than half said that AI was even a consideration in their new phone purchase. So we already see more people do not care about AI from the off. Of those reporting using the feature, it says 73% state they don't care about it after using. That does not mean the other 27% said they did like…

I didn't imply a yes/no; based on TFA, I assume that they used a 5-point scale, with the middle option being phrased something like "somewhat valuable", and there being two more positive ones. TFA is critically lacking in both the survey details and what other features got on similar surveys.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by Etheryte » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 7:18 PM UTC

jdprgm wrote: post #175

I think this is much more on a botched rollout and a lack of vision. Apple should have been working on this for years and have some pretty big advantages. A deeply integrated version of the best o1 chat and vision models with context from all various apps and ability to do complex app interactions could be amazing. They could even have the ability to have AI basically create on demand personalized new applications fo…

This wouldn't align with what Apple is going for though. Their selling point in this category is first and foremost that your data stays private. They're looking to do as much as possible on-device, not in the cloud. This rules out models akin to o1 because they're just too large in every respect. I agree that Apple has the chance to do amazing things here, but I think it will take a while until small models are as capable as they need them to be.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by mukunda_johnson » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 7:29 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #226

mukunda_johnson wrote: post #116

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I said the same thing to a previous company before I was let go. Confused why they were butchering their business strategy in favor of a gold rush. The main benefit of LLMs was already abundantly clear: literally just chat with it in day to day work when you can. Ask it questions about accounting, other domains it knows, etc. That's like up to 10-20% performance increase on tasks if you align OK. Still, they were in…

> Ask it questions about accounting, other domains it knows Be very careful here if you're using it for anything important! LLMs are quite good at answering questions about accounting in ways which are superficially convincing-looking, yet also complete nonsense. "But the magic robot told me it was okay" will not fly in a tax audit, say.

Agree, some domains are a big gray area. I used it to understand some accounting jargon while diagnosing a software issue, but anything that is not very commonplace is littered with misinformation, so you have to doublecheck. I find it more useful to gain a direction or lead on a topic rather than answers directly.

Of course many executives don't deal with the obscure stuff day to day (e.g. regular stuff people actually get paid to deal with) and think that LLMs can turn anyone into a superhero overnight :) The amount of times we were told that we were "putting our heads in the sand" regarding the advantages of AI was very annoying.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by llm_nerd » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

Smaug123 wrote: post #335

llm_nerd wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said that NDAs don't apply? If you need to strawman to make an argument, just save the bits and skip doing it. And yes, in the end all code distills down to shit that is very similar to the countless billions of lines of code on the internet. Everything -- every single project that anyone on this site is working on -- is a bunch of glued together shit where 90% (more like 99% Probably 99.9%) of it is in common wi…

You certainly strongly implied that NDAs don't apply with the phrase "their magically novel, super unique code is just too secret". You used the words "is just too secret" sarcastically, which led me to believe you think in fact the work is not too secret to exfiltrate to the LLMs on the Internet: that is, that NDAs don't apply. > In reality a programmer could yield immense value from such tools having a) given it ze…

I did not imply that. I implied that people who have projects for whom these tools are purportedly useless can never tell you anything about the project even remotely because it makes it impossible to note that it, like most projects is likely overwhelmingly well-trodden ground with a mild remix. Loads and loads of super proprietary projects working in very unique domain spaces have code that is overwhelmingly common with very different domains and spaces. Medical, financial, ballistic, gaming, data, etc -- loads and loads of the code we build for these domains is common.

If someone can't use these tools for security or propriety reasons, that's an obvious hard restriction. But saying "oh my code is just too unique, my skills too advanced" is self-deluding nonsense.

>I think with the advent of Claude 3.5 Sonnet the LLMs

We are talking about now. The present. I'm stating the value of these tools now. Their state in the past is irrelevant.

>Can you give some concrete examples

Sorry, NDAs, secret code, secret projects, et al

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by dylan604 » Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

falcor84 wrote: post #336

dylan604 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

someone else made a similar comment already, and I just don't understand why you default to 27% liking it. Of those responding, less than half said that AI was even a consideration in their new phone purchase. So we already see more people do not care about AI from the off. Of those reporting using the feature, it says 73% state they don't care about it after using. That does not mean the other 27% said they did like…

I didn't imply a yes/no; based on TFA, I assume that they used a 5-point scale, with the middle option being phrased something like "somewhat valuable", and there being two more positive ones. TFA is critically lacking in both the survey details and what other features got on similar surveys.

This is the point. There's not enough information to make any kind of claims by subtracting available numbers from 100 and concluding anything with the remainder.