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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by moooo99 »

GoToRO wrote: post #290
mbrumlow wrote: post #283

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I keep seeing people say this. What are these? Have you seen a hummer or a ford F2 or f350? What about a Lexus LS or GX? Cadillac Escalade or Lincoln Navigator? What about a Camry other than its size specifically is for pedestrians when hit? Then we have the smart car. A small bubble designed to not crush. Fairly sure if that thing hits somebody they are not going to be “gee I am glad that the car makers made this ca…

A hood low enough to throw the pedestrian over the car. Enough space under the hood to allow enough deformation to prevent serious head injury (main reason the pedestrian is killed as I remember). Hood "airbags" that lift the hood up, adding even more space to decelerate the pedestrian (as I remember, this was optional but available to car manufacturers). Normally new cars should come with emergency braking. As I rem…

> EU regulations might be a little behind the times, not yet recognizing the efficiency of emergency braking

Emergency breaking system have been a mandatory assistance system for a while now (afaik it was introduced mid 2022). Admittedly, I don’t know how efficient they actually are in preventing injuries from pedestrians.

I just know that from my experience driving with these systems, they occasionally do seem not quite there. I’ve had my car warn me from hitting a guy that was happily walking on the sidewalk but completely ignore people taking a pedestrian crossing (maybe because I was already breaking myself).

So yeah, tech is great and all. But having design considerations as a completely passive system like your front bumper breaking off on colission still seems essential

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by wg0 »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #316
wg0 wrote: post #295

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How are they exactly temperature controlled? To control temperature, we would need to circulate something around the cells and that something has to be heated or cooled whereas every tear down I have ever seen of EV batteries contains nothing as such. Not to mention that such heating/cooling would additionally draw energy thus taking a toll on both the range and battery life.

Tesla has liquid cooling around the cells, a fairly advanced system that can move heat between battery, motors, cabin, and environment in arbitrary directions. Before just claiming no EVs do this, you could have typed “Tesla battery cooling” into Google and gotten this from the AI thing: > Tesla vehicles have a built-in battery cooling system that uses an electric pump to circulate coolant and keep the battery's temp…

If you read my comment, you wouldn't find any claim or falsehoods being spread rather a question.

With the conclusion that such cooling/heating wouldn't be free lunch and would take it's toll on the battery itself reducing both range and requiring more charge cycles because all those compressors need power too.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by sakjur »

golol wrote: post #277
LtdJorge wrote: post #269

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I don't know, the average driver handling a 6600 lbs chunk of sharp aluminum capable of going 0-60 in 4 seconds terrifies me.

Easy to say but does that really represent the statistical reality? Does higher acceleration cause more accidents? Sports cars have more accidents. Sports cars that are driven by young people that want to show off. Cars with a high top speed. But do you think people will try to corner with the Cybertruck like they're racing? Yes they will spend a few seconds after each stop sign at hogher speed than if they weren't d…

You don’t need data to be terrified of something.

Even so there is research on how car design impact road safety, and if there’s a sliver of doubt that that’s sufficient to justify banning the Cybertruck from public roads the tests to prove its safety should be done in a way where gathering statistics doesn’t mean killing people.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

otterley wrote: post #326
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #306

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Vienna isn't representative for all of Europe. Not even for the rest of Austria. Go to the other more car centric cities and you'll see.

Can you name a single European city that is positively teeming with large American SUVs?

Don't change the meaning please. Obvious not teeming like in the US but the traditional European family station wagon is being replaced by large SUVs everywhere in Europe.

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Post by ywvcbk »

danielscrubs wrote: post #324
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #243

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Not just Merica. People prioritize flashing their status via a large, expensive impractical cars than the greater good everywhere. Large American SUVs are flying off the shelves in Europe.

The market share for American car brands remains relatively low, typically below 5% in Europe. Notable American manufacturers like Ford and Tesla have struggled to capture a substantial portion of the European market compared to their Asian and European counterparts

Ford has gone pretty much entirely native in Europe. though. Their line up for decades has been pretty indistinguishable from German or French carmakers.

Their European division was a bit similar to what GM/Opel had going.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by jen20 »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #95
MostlyStable wrote: post #46

It is honestly baffling to me how many people have such strong opinions on the Cyber Truck. I don't personally like the aesthetic, but the majority of the reason I wouldn't get one is that I really don't like Teslas interior design/control scheme (which, much like apple, has lead a lot of manufacturers to copy them). I hate the 100% touch screen thing that they have decided on. But like...also, I just won't buy one.…

Have you actually driven one? The only thing I use the touch screen for on a near daily basis is the defroster in the winter and that is before I start driving. Everything else I need regularly does have physical controls, e.g. wipers and blower speed. I do have a model that still has the stalks though, haven’t driven the stalkless type enough to comment.

I haven’t driven a cyber truck, but I was in a friend’s Model X the other day and the gear selector was on the touch screen.

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Post by ywvcbk »

Neonlicht wrote: post #217
StackRanker3000 wrote: post #213

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I assume they don’t have a lot of F-150s in Paris, either.

Any city built and or designed before cars is a nightmare for giant American pickups. That said do you see those in Boston or NYC a lot?

> Any city built and or designed before

So not most European cities? Unless you only count villages and old towns of larger cities.

Europeans have been building and designing towns around cars almost since after the end of WW2. They just used a somewhat different approach (since European cars were tiny compared to NA ones in the 50s and 60s). There has also been a reversal with more focus on pedestrians and public transport over the last 20-30 years.

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Post by rightbyte »

spacechild1 wrote: post #280

This serioualy reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer gets to design a car. I don't understand how anyone can drive this thing unironically.

I believe the guys that secretely want a F150 and remove the catalysator are the target demographic.

Musks resent policial turns fits the Cybertruck image too.

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Post by mdhb »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #327
mdhb wrote: post #170

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Right, it’s kind of known as the incel mobile I think by most people. In the same way when you see a MAGA hat on the street, you already know a lot about the person before they a a single word and you do your best to avoid them but other people with MAGA hats will give each other the wink and nod. In my experience that’s the closest thing I could describe to the cyber truck experience and how most people look at it.

Nobody knows what an incel is, other than the terminally online.

They know exactly what it is when they see it even if they don’t have a word for it. We could call it the loser mobile if it makes things clearer I guess.

But honestly, I don’t know what point you’re trying to make here but I’m not talking about language, I’m talking about the reaction people have when they see people in cyber trucks.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

not_really wrote: post #321
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #221

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"Your wish for child safety impedes my freedom to play suburban cowboy in my jacked up electric scythe. That's tyranny."

Well, it is?

What is?
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