Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

Post by inemesitaffia » Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 11:09 AM UTC

ivan_gammel wrote: post #325

enriquto wrote: post #290

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> The economies are too integrated for this scenario. This exact reason was put forward by political thinkers in the 1910s to "prove" that a major war in Europe was completely impossible. It was then put forward again in the 1930s to "prove" the same thing; for real that time.

There’s one plausible escalation scenario: Trump wins and America becomes authoritarian state the same way as Russia did, gradually destroying democratic institutions and opposition. In such scenario EU will be forced to reconsider the relationship with America and pursue strategic autonomy. It is still not a matter of days, months or years.

Post by BlueTemplar » Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 11:49 AM UTC

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This is too funny. What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't that side step the "sovereign" protectionism? An American company would run circles around this mess.

They might if there was a market for it. But who wants to pay a premium to be free of US influence? America hasn’t gone full-on Gilead yet.

Post by progbits » Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 12:16 PM UTC

trevyn wrote: post #248

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Google is doing this. German and French companies are building a datacenter to GCP standards, will license the code and run essentially whitelabel GCP under full jurisdiction of the EU company. Google can only push updates with their approval and has no visibility into the operations. https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud?hl=en

This is actually quite funny. A sovereign cloud that they have no f-ing clue how to maintain without the mothership.

Post by arendtio » Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 12:25 PM UTC

stavros wrote: post #105

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #47

I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

I use Hetzner cloud not because it's European, but because it's great.

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 26, 2024, 12:36 PM UTC

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As others here have pointed out, Gaia-X successfully funnels money to EU cloud companies and maybe this is what it's supposed to do. The deal is: company agrees to write some bs on how it contributes to this project and they get the money. The point is to get local cloud tech sector to grow here in the EU and maybe it's too difficult politically or otherwise to just give money to the companies directly.

This also blows my mind, instead of adding more berucracy to apply for funding to review funding to give funding. just give tax credits based on innovation / investment criteria, to both companies and employees, Europe needs digitalization so badly, yet they find more complex ways to enable it.