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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by notJim »

branon wrote: post #167
__loam wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Our household has one pc from 2019 running windows, 3 on Linux, and one Mac, plus two macs from work. The only thing keeping me on windows is league of legends and stone art programs and I might get a mac to do that.

League runs on Linux easy, all you need is patched Wine: https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom/releases/t... It's easiest to use this via software like Lutris or Bottles.

> X runs on Linux easy, all you need is patched Y

Glad to hear some things never change

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Post by mmcnl »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #218
pentagrama wrote: post #156

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Yes, and Lenovo is releasing a new Qualcomm-powered ThinkPad, which are known to be a Linux-friendly laptops. > The ThinkPad T14s Gen 6 is, of course, business-focused. It will have the same Snapdragon chip, storage capacity, and webcam but will support up to 64GB of memory and one of three 14-inch display options: an IPS with up to 400 nits of brightness; an IPS touch display; or an OLED that covers 100 percent of t…

Lenovo has been selling a Qualcomm laptop, the Thinkpad x13s, for several years already with questionable at best Linux support so I wouldn't expect the new ones to be much better.

But that's only one device. This is an entire generation of laptops all running the exact same chip.

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Post by wmf »

winwang wrote: post #185
jarjoura wrote: post #175

The coordinated launch of real ARM laptops across 4 different companies, Dell, Lenovo, HP and Samsung is quite an achievement for Microsoft after a decade of failed ARM launches. This seems uniquely different to me because, there is a real and marketable limitation to what you can find in Intel/AMD (the lack of NPU). Before Microsoft pushed ARM as an option for "all day battery power" however, the huuuuuge tradeoff w…

Does AMD lack NPUs on mobile still? It should be coming quite soon, apparently 40 TOPs.

Ryzen 7000 had a slow (not Windows-certified) NPU and Ryzen 8000 has a full-speed NPU.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by mellosouls »

beoberha wrote: post #261

I work for Microsoft, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I could not be more excited for these AI productivity features built into the OS. “Recall” is almost exactly what I’ve been dreaming of since the AI boom. I didn’t catch it in the release, but something that can “record” my work life and do things like auto-manage my todo list or answer a question I had about how I did something a year ago is the killer A…

Possibly, but instant-find software already exists (eg copernic desktop search), and the extra functionality posited by Recall sounds like a potential surveillance nightmare in workplaces given Microsoft's form in the corporate arena.

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Post by Findecanor »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #280
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #243

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It's a real shame as well since the Surface line of PCs started as such a clean break and has devolved into a confusing mess.

That name was cursed from the start, too. The original "Microsoft Surface 1.0" was tabletop platform that got renamed "PixelSense"[0] years before there was a "Surface" tablet computer. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense

I recall it was renamed to PixelSense right when the Surface tablets arrived.

Then they named an entire input device line "Surface" as well. When you search for "surface keyboard" you will get results for desktop keyboards and type-covers for tablets.

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Post by wslh »

mmcnl wrote: post #268
delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

Exactly. They're now aggressively competing with Apple with supposedly better performance and better battery life. That's huge. Apple was years ahead with the introduction of the M1 but it appears competition has finally caught up. All of this has to be proven in real life though, but so far all the newly announced ARM devices [0] look like impressive MacBook competitors on their own. [0] So far it seems this are the…

I am excited on having an ARM on a PC with Linux support but I never see Windows as an OS optimized for batteries beyond if they use ARM or x86. The Apple advantage continues to be a complete control of the device from hardware to the operating system, while the bloatware of Microsoft Windows makes an arbitrary use of resources.

This is not to say that Microsoft Windows is not an advanced OS, the problem is that it is not laser focus optimized.

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Post by shmerl »

dymk wrote: post #292
shmerl wrote: post #244

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Privacy oriented users are already using Linux.

As a desktop operating sytem? Not the ones that value their time.

Yes, as a desktop operating system. Nothing else respects privacy really that would require less time. Or may be you have a suggestion?

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by wmf »

phkahler wrote: post #77

To really be an AI PC, I'd want to be able to run something like llama 3 70B locally, and that's going to need a lot of RAM. Even running a 7B will take 14GB if it's fp16. So these really just need to be able to run a few MS AI apps. A quick googling tells me things like the Gen-AI in photoshop is actually done in the cloud, so that should still work but doesn't really require a special "AI PC".

These laptops have up to 64 GB RAM which should be enough to run 70B models (quantized).
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