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Re: Apple Vision Pro review

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Post by electroly »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #314
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

I wonder given all this... what the expectations are at Apple from a higher up/board/executive standpoint are Most of Apple offerings are good: Watch iPad Mac iPhone services Are they really expecting this to just be a hard problem initially that they get better at over time? When is the last time they launched a "so so" product?

Apple Maps falls in that category. Maps was bad when it came out but after years of effort (and a lot of money), it's pretty good now. That was no small feat given how good Google Maps already was when Apple Maps started.

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Post by H8crilA »

ghc wrote: post #204
GeorgeTirebiter wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what does "5md USD" mean? I assume USD = US Dollars but "5md" ? Thank you.

I was confused as well, so I checked various European languages for what their word for billion is. I suspect they are french, using an abbreviation for milliard, the French word for billion.

Not just French, also for example German and Polish.

Milion, Miliard, Bilion, Biliard = Million, Billion, Trillion, Quadrillion

(neither are justified because neither start at the beginning, that is at a thousand :) )

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Post by Twisell »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #314
zmmmmm wrote: post #276

Lots of surprises on the downside from all the reviews. Pass through much more limited in quality with motion blur, pixelation, distortions, limited color and dynamic range. The eye tracking driven input method which was seen as holy grail turns out to be annoying after a while because people don't naturally always look at what they want to click on. Personas straight up aren't ready. The lack of AR features is the b…

I wonder given all this... what the expectations are at Apple from a higher up/board/executive standpoint are Most of Apple offerings are good: Watch iPad Mac iPhone services Are they really expecting this to just be a hard problem initially that they get better at over time? When is the last time they launched a "so so" product?

The watch first 1-3 generations were clearly "so so".

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Post by wkirby »

This seems like a prank. I simply cannot fathom wanting this even if it were free --- and I own and have used multiple VR headsets. The idea that I'd want to live any significant portion of my day in one seems like absolutely madness.

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Post by mattigames »

phelm wrote: post #312

Seems fun that most of the huge engineering effort seems to have gone into making the device feel as if its not there, Passthrough, Persona, EyeSight, and most of the downsides in the review comes from the fact that the device is still there. The device is a simulation of the dream device that can overlay UI on top of your vision without you looking any different to those around you, I wonder how far away that is.

I don't think it needs to be 100% not-there to reach full popularity, in the shape of glasses or a hat would be good enough, or perhaps something you can put on top of your regular glasses.

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Post by aidenn0 »

joshspankit wrote: post #306
tunesmith wrote: post #7

One of the aspects of the device that has been under-realized is that when mirroring your desktop/laptop display to the AVP, you can't break out its applications into different areas. You can't pull them away from the desktop window. This is one of those things that Apple never claimed was supported, and yet there's something about that behavior that feels like such a natural intuitive implication to the technology t…

On Windows of all places (95ish to MEish) there was a remote tool called radmin and it had something that I wish companies had embraced: it hooked in to (maybe even before?) the window-rendering functions and sent the changes over the network. It’s hard to explain exactly what I mean because everyone is so used to streaming pictures of the screen over the network (if they even use remote access at all), but you could…

> On Windows of all places (95ish to MEish) there was a remote tool called radmin and it had something that I wish companies had embraced: it hooked in to (maybe even before?) the window-rendering functions and sent the changes over the network. It’s hard to explain exactly what I mean because everyone is so used to streaming pictures of the screen over the network (if they even use remote access at all), but you could have less than 20ms latency while controlling over the internet while using tiny amounts of data (50kbps? 100? not sure but somewhere around there).

This has been done many times before (see e.g. X Windows) and has known downsides. Off the top of my head:

- You need the same fonts installed on both sides for native font rendering to work

- Applications that don't use native drawing functions will tend to be very chatty, making the total amount of data larger than VNC/rdesktop/&c. style "send compressed pictures"

- Detaching and re-attaching to an application is hard to get right, so it's either disallowed or buggy.

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Post by BOOSTERHIDROGEN »

Wingy wrote: post #324
wahnfrieden wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Apple reportedly overrode the design team on launching it prematurely relative to their typical standards in order to enter the market and begin iterating before waiting too long. It’s the first new product category made under his leadership and he’s eyeing retirement, as context. Btw, don’t forget visionOS 2.0 is just 18 weeks away. (Source: WWDC is every June and every platform gets a version bump, as we saw wi…

The watch is a new product category under his leadership isn't it?

Watch still under Steve, put it in other way, it's last product under his supervision.

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Post by zmmmmm »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #318
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder given all this... what the expectations are at Apple from a higher up/board/executive standpoint are Most of Apple offerings are good: Watch iPad Mac iPhone services Are they really expecting this to just be a hard problem initially that they get better at over time? When is the last time they launched a "so so" product?

Tim Apple reportedly overrode the design team on launching it prematurely relative to their typical standards in order to enter the market and begin iterating before waiting too long. It’s the first new product category made under his leadership and he’s eyeing retirement, as context. Btw, don’t forget visionOS 2.0 is just 18 weeks away. (Source: WWDC is every June and every platform gets a version bump, as we saw wi…

> It’s the first new product category made under his leadership and he’s eyeing retirement, as context

I've been wondering how much this is part of the context here. He may feel some pressure that he hasn't really launched a new major product category from scratch in all his time as CEO and if this has been running 10 years as a project now, that it would be a blemish on his legacy to not get it out the door before he leaves. Perhaps without him there it would even be binned which would be even more pressure to deliver it.

Contrary to all that he really seems a bit ambivalent about the device himself, having never allowed himself to be seen publicly using it.

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Post by mjamesaustin »

leetharris wrote: post #24
tunesmith wrote: post #7

One of the aspects of the device that has been under-realized is that when mirroring your desktop/laptop display to the AVP, you can't break out its applications into different areas. You can't pull them away from the desktop window. This is one of those things that Apple never claimed was supported, and yet there's something about that behavior that feels like such a natural intuitive implication to the technology t…

I agree that this should be considered long term, however... you are able to snap VisionOS / iPadOS apps anywhere around your Macbook view AND you are able to control those very apps with your Macbook trackpad. So even though you have a sequestered Mac output alongside Vision apps, you can use the same controls for all them simultaneously. This should help in the interim.

Yeah when I found this out, it resolved my concerns. Most of my apps will have a native Vision release (email, web browser, slack, etc.) and my actual monitor screen will only need more professional software (e.g. Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign).

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Post by astrange »

joshspankit wrote: post #306
tunesmith wrote: post #7

One of the aspects of the device that has been under-realized is that when mirroring your desktop/laptop display to the AVP, you can't break out its applications into different areas. You can't pull them away from the desktop window. This is one of those things that Apple never claimed was supported, and yet there's something about that behavior that feels like such a natural intuitive implication to the technology t…

On Windows of all places (95ish to MEish) there was a remote tool called radmin and it had something that I wish companies had embraced: it hooked in to (maybe even before?) the window-rendering functions and sent the changes over the network. It’s hard to explain exactly what I mean because everyone is so used to streaming pictures of the screen over the network (if they even use remote access at all), but you could…

This can only work until it doesn't, and it won't work in many situations because eg 1. apps aren't going to bother being compatible with it 2. compositing has surprising performance and memory costs, and in this case the destination is more constrained than the source.
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