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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

That exemption was available for any electric car. You’re just supporting the conclusion that Tesla was definitely the leader of electrics.

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Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I don't own a Tesla, but I have a relevant anecdote related to your post. I rented a Model 3 in Switzerland and while the car was drivable, I felt that the interior was cheaply made, giving the impression that I was driving a toy car. The car had a lot of plastic and whenever I drove over bumpy roads, there were cracking friction sounds everywhere. Additionally, the acceleration was extremely sensitive, making it dif…

According to reviews, the refreshed Model 3 has a considerably improved interior. Here's one from Motor Trend:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2024-tesla-model-3-highla...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

I’ve thought about buying a Tesla for years now but stories like this have dissuaded me. I would have hoped that issues such as these would have been resolved by now. But, I’m glad that the other auto makers are starting to finally bring some competition in the EV market.

I drive a f150 lightning, and honestly there is no competition. The Tesla is still a much better vehicle.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

With 162MPH top speed, a Tesla Model 3 is not a slow car by any means, alas it breaks things (which are generally mounted on itself).

That's just a single example. To add just such an example to the other end of the scales: their factories still move at a glacial pace. Even a tortoise is faster.

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>> boil down to surface rust on the braking discs You don’t fail for surface rust, it’s not a check that’s done. You fail for dangerous imbalance of braking force. When the car is run on the drum roller (rolling road powers the cars wheels) and the inspector presses the brakes, the braking force applied by the car is measured. You get a fail if your braking performance is likely to unsettle the car in high braking fo…

The manual clearly states that the breaking discs need to be cleaned every, what was it, 25k km. Thats a job for a mechanic. Also in the DIY section it says that the brakes should be burnished as well.

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Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

How is Tesla still considered a startup? It’s a 20 years old company with a 80billion valuation and more than 100k employees Edit: I even missed a zero, it has a 800billion valuation

tesla is a startup because it allows less strict oversight from the public. “startup” seems to now simply mean “burn cash until market dominance” or “regulations have mot caught up to our industry”. it is not an actual startup, just a court of public opinion one, allowing it to do shady shit under the guise of progress at any cost

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

With 162MPH top speed, a Tesla Model 3 is not a slow car by any means, alas it breaks things (which are generally mounted on itself).

it is an interesting strategy here, does misdirection apply well outside if magic? does this work in actual conversation?

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It's not "degraded" if it has rust. Brakes rust if you look at them too hard and then they clear up when you brake again.

And some surface rust doesn't fail inspection. For that we clearly are in not-working-properly-and-potentially-a-safety-hazard territory.

Yes, I tend to agree, it sounds fishy, but I don't speak Germany but from the google translate of the TUV site and then some accounts of people here, it sounds like they do fail for normal surface rust. One or two people mentioned anecdotes that the inspectors have told them to go drive around and brake heavily before coming back.

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> on a path towards electrified transport If not for Tesla, America (& the Western world in general) might not be on a path towards private inefficient electrified road transport, leaving much more room for investment in & upselling of vastly more sustainable non-road transport, as has been done in China. Musk in particular has form here - consistently blocking & derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for t…

> derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for the west coast Musk ran California’s high-speed rail through the Central Valley? I like public transport. But America isn’t built for it. Switching to trains would mean upending and dissolving tens of millions’ communities. There was no other path without EVs and trains galore; it was—and is—between EVs and ICE cars.

> Musk ran

Seems a very honest interpretation of events to purport that Musk has had no influence over transport in California.

> America isn’t built for it.

That rhetoric is used the world over as an excuse to bolster against progressive innovation of all kinds. It's been debunked countless times. "Dissolving" communities to make way for rail is of course also nonsense.

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This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

Subjective. I feel completely the opposite about them when I've driven them. Impressive technology, and admirable strides towards their mission, impressive engineers ... but with many failing: FSD, repairability, boring drive-feedback, insurance pricing, focus on speed over alsmost everything, manufacturing quality both inside and outside, and the design language of a taxi-cab to top it all off ... only the S can be…

the ride is so numb. i am convinced it is on purpose frankly
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