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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by SpaghettiCthulu »

golergka wrote: post #158
fnordpiglet wrote: post #45

Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are at best property crimes, and while the sums are non trivial, sentencing children to indefinite imprisonment for a nonviolent crime against a megacorp is unconscionable.

No, not life in prison. Detention in a psychiatric hospital for an autistic person who is violently attacking other people. > dozens of reports of injury or property damage

"Reports", not evidence.

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Post by SpaghettiCthulu »

sophyphreak wrote: post #327
wolverine876 wrote: post #217

Arion needs help, including care for his autism. What a painful, horrible way to live every day (effectively untreated autism). He's in this situation because he did not have proper help. What a nightmare for him. Clearly he has some drive that he satisfies by hacking. Good care will help him identify that drive and direct it toward something healthy. Where are his family? Has he been walking around with this illness…

I'm going to say this as kindly as I can, though truthfully, I'm seething. I understand you're trying to be kind and empathetic. I feel for this dude too. But the way you're expressing your thoughts is hurtful, and I ask you to try to learn why. Here's a pretty good article from a mainstream website that talks about ableism and how expressing feelings of pity can be an expression of ableism. https://www.healthline.co…

I half agree with you. However, your argument that this is ableism is ridiculous. And you almost proved that yourself by stating that autism is not a disease. I would go a step further and say that it is not a disability, just a something that makes you think differently from the "normal" (which I would argue requires all free thought to be hammered out of you at a young age).

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by SpaghettiCthulu »

TylerE wrote: post #201
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #197

He is a danger to crappy security and those that fear free thinkers like him. There ought to be laws against locking people like him up. Rockstar said it cost them thousands of hours to recover...they could have asked him, and it might have cost them orders of magnitude less. Rockstar has hired the wrong people, lol.

"The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody, with dozens of reports of injury or property damage." Not exactly "did nothing wrong".

"Reports" is all they have. No evidence, only reports from a biased source (the prosecutors).

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Post by SpaghettiCthulu »

solomoncaygnuyo wrote: post #151
thomastjeffery wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Custody is violence. Most people respond with patience, because they understand deescalation is their best move. This person has Autism. I think it's not a leap to conclude that he simply doesn't understand that deescalation is the right move. He may not even realize or totally comprehend that deescalation is an option! If you want to convince me this person is a menace to society, then talk about his behavior before…

> If you want to convince me this person is a menace to society, then talk about his behavior before being arrested. What did he do then? He's part of a hacker group who steals data and extorts companies for money. And he talks about how he can't wait to do more crime when he gets out of lockup. It's all there in the article. I know, crime against big companies isn't "real crime" as far as many are concerned, but the…

He extorts companies, not people. I see no problem here.

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Post by hnbad »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #253
hnbad wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having seen that play out in real life before, I don't think he'd be as much of an asset as a liability. The problem with white hats is they need to have an interest in following some set of rules. With this guy it sounds more like his rule set is defined by whatever he finds interesting with little concern for legality or what others might find acceptable. It's similar to the problem with the asshole genius programm…

I’ve seen the opposite, the worthless manager, way more than the asshole genius.

To be fair, there are very few actual geniuses and a lot more unremarkable assholes.

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Post by SpaghettiCthulu »

15457345234 wrote: post #296
thomastjeffery wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can society understand how to behave around him? Has society even tried? I'm not working to give up that easily. This is a person with the rest of his life ahead of him; and that life has been locked in a room, and declared his responsibility.

All you're doing, in this interaction, is questioning endlessly. You don't have any proposals. How do you propose, exactly, that society handle a person that openly admits that they'll do whatever they see fit and decide for themselves what rules they'll follow? And we're not talking about minor rules and infractions, we're talking about major ones like 'don't be violent' and 'don't stalk and terrorize women' and 'do…

> 'don't be violent'

The only evidence for this is heresay by the prosecutors.

> 'don't stalk and terrorize women'

As has been pointed out by others in this thread, that was a different person. Go read the article again.

> 'don't run a doxxing website'

You've got me there. But I don't think that comes even close to justifying an indefinite sentance.

> 'don't extort and steal'

Yeah, he shouldn't have done that. But as I said before, it does not at all justify an indefinite sentance.

> The guy stands up in court and basically says 'yeah I don't have any remorse and I'm gonna keep doing it because I don't think it's wrong' - why do we need to try and understand that more?

That is completely false. He is never quoted as saying anything to that effect. Rather, this is the closest thing we get:

> A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cyber-crime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated."

Perhaps the question should be what about cyber-crime he is motivated by. There is no indication that the motivation is anything malicious. It may be thrill that he is motivated by. If that's the case, it should be treated as an struggle with addiction, not evil.

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Post by ungamedplayer »

imglorp wrote: post #51
jvanderbot wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA, and given prior hacks, he's very skilled.

Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

No company will do this because you can hire competent, non violent white hat hackers that don't need monitoring.

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Post by TylerE »

SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #333
TylerE wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody, with dozens of reports of injury or property damage." Not exactly "did nothing wrong".

"Reports" is all they have. No evidence, only reports from a biased source (the prosecutors).

By that standard what evidence would you ever accept? They almost certainly have video - prisons have cameras everywhere

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Post by iAMkenough »

mavamaarten wrote: post #297
unsupp0rted wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't see what the big deal is in installing a chrooted Linux environment (or SSH/RDP client to remote into an external machine) in an Android device Installing a Linux environment or SSH client on a Fire Stick in a hotel without access to a laptop? Not familiar with Firesticks- is there an app in their App Store for SSH?

Fire devices just run a flavor of Android, without Google Play Services. Getting SSH on there is trivial, especially when rooted.

I would like to install SSH and root a Fire Stick with my phone. Where should I start?

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Post by fnordpiglet »

alephnerd wrote: post #222
fnordpiglet wrote: post #45

Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are at best property crimes, and while the sums are non trivial, sentencing children to indefinite imprisonment for a nonviolent crime against a megacorp is unconscionable.

From the article: > judge described as "unpleasant and frightening pattern of stalking and harassment" of two young women

That was committed by his accomplice, who seems to have gotten a mild punishment.
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