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Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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I've been able to disable most of the things I do not like on win11 pro, so far, but if it weren't for how much I use Ableton I would be all in on Linux at this point. If anybody knows anyone at Ableton, please tell them to do a Linux edition :P

Or at least check that it works on Wine. I find these days that when Windows programs work on Wine they work very, very well.

Hah, a friend of mine was swearing it wouldn't work. How's performance and latency?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Oh it's definitely still a theory - but we've collectively proven it through our anecdotal experiences over the last 20+ years of using Windows.

That is not how it works lol

It doesn’t actually work that way, but the net result is the same. Windows is a Trojan horse that manifests itself as an OS but is really just a delivery mechanism for crap from Microsoft. One drive. Cortana. Edge. It’s all so invasive.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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I've been playing around with Ubuntu training myself for the day that I have to give up windows 10. My only complaints are that Linux can be tedious, everything is just 43 commands away; it requires greater understanding of not just what the system is doing, but how it is doing it; and the documentation is written like a Wikipedia article on advanced nuclear theory. Windows and OSX have, for the most part, just worke…

No worries. I have installed windows 11 lately and i find it tedious. It constantly wants to register me somewhere, it asks me to have this as standard, and it is always updating something and asks me to reboot. And why i cant remove certain things from my taskbar? So, i guess, we both have out difficulties. Like always.

I honestly don't understand how macOS and Linux are better with respect to OS updates. With Ubuntu I always have to update and reboot, almost weekly. And with macOS if there's an update, you can at least schedule it, but not without this big bright red notification badge that's always in your face and can't be dismissed.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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I hope for a future where we are not trapped between Windows, MacOS, and Linux. They are all very complicated, and have much state. They're great for general-purpose computing, but it would be cool if you could use the same hardware in these GP computers with lightweight firmware that doesn't get in the way, and can be tuned to a specific task better. Simple, responsive GUI, could run your specialty software etc with direct hardware interaction.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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IMO, the best way to get comfortable with Linux is to get comfortable with the command line, because although every distribution is going to have different UI and built-in apps, the command line is going to stay pretty consistent. Also, a lot of troubleshooting you Google is going to involve interacting with the command line, and it's essential to understand what the commands you're executing are actually doing. I'd…

Was trying to configure a network bridge for a vm just the other day from cli. The guide (for Ubuntu which I was also using) was using nmcli (Network Manager), tried it and command not found, back to searching and was nudged to systemd networking by stackoverflow which didnt work either. Turns out that my system was using Netplan. Three different systems to handle networking, really? Ok, chatgpt convert this nmcli co…

That's the exact experience I went through about a year ago trying to set up a bridged VM on a headless Ubuntu system. I mean right down to the sequence of nmcli, systemd, and Netplan, winding up with wiping it all away and just running Virtual Box on a way overpowered and mostly idle Win 10 system. Because I just wanted to run a VM connected to my local LAN.

Linux networking and DNS resolution, while working fine for the happy path, are a dumpster fire from a system management viewpoint. Especially if you want to do anything even mildly off-script. And I say this as a Linux user since before the kernel hit 1.0.

I don't know, maybe it's just a documentation problem. The accumulated junk of 50 years of obsolete documentation that you have to wade through to find out that the whiz-bang Linux distro you're using today is not the Linux which worked fine last year.

The exit off my lawn is in this direction.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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On that subject, anyone know why shifting to HDR dims everything that way? My mental model of it is that SDR brightness goes from 0 to 100, and HDR brightness goes from -100 to 100, and that turning on HDR moves everything not HDR-aware down to the bottom of the brightness space. I could look this up, but never think about it outside of conversations like this and figure it might be more fun to talk about it.

Consider that your display can only do 0-100 brightness (not really but for sake of argument) In SDR, you map the full SDR range (also 0-100) to that 0-100. When you add HDR, you’re now adding levels above 100 (let’s say 0-200). If your display can only do upto 100, you now need to put all the 0-100 stuff in 0-50. Or you get a display that can also display 0-200. Very few computer displays can do over a standard SDR…

But why isn't SDR then scaled from 0-200, then? That is, why isn't "fully bright SDR" mapped to "fully bright HDR"?

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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This is why I've been using Firefox downloaded directly from Mozilla for a while now instead of the broken one shipped with Ubuntu. I just need to manually update via the "Help -> About" every once in a while, but things look much better otherwise.

You don’t need to do that. You can install it via apt from the Mozilla ppa, then it updates automatically along with everything else.

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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I hope for a future where we are not trapped between Windows, MacOS, and Linux. They are all very complicated, and have much state. They're great for general-purpose computing, but it would be cool if you could use the same hardware in these GP computers with lightweight firmware that doesn't get in the way, and can be tuned to a specific task better. Simple, responsive GUI, could run your specialty software etc with…

Do you mean something like MirageOS? https://mirage.io/

Re: Ubuntu squeezes more performance than Windows 11 on new AMD Zen 4 Threadripper

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Now try saving something from Firefox. By default, it shoves it into some parallel file system within the snap. Oh did you forget to actually explicitly save it into the downloads directory? Yeah, you have no idea where it is now. Oh and of course when the download file explorer widget opens up, you can't get the mouse focus. Probably because there's some security boundary between Firefox and the file system. Usabili…

Yes! Downloading things in Firefox has been annoying too now that you mention it.

I know what you meant but generally really unfair to even mention or phrase it like that. “Downloading things in snap” is more correct.

Snap has done such a disservice to open source software’s perceived quality.

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