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IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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> Go ahead and create 1 account per 1 server, nothing prevents you. You think? I still have to use the official client to log on to all of them so they can just ban all if their AI thinks I'm a communist pedophile terrorist.

I have two Discord accounts. The desktop app supports this and lets you log into multiple accounts at once. So I doubt it's against TOS.

But if one does something that breaks ToS then both will be banned, no?

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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I mean, practically speaking it is just temporarily unmuting yourself. It's active while being held instead of toggling is the only major difference

That is what it seems like to me too. Which is why I find it puzzling that it's so frequently a make-or-break feature, when everything I've used since early teamspeak days has had a keypress to toggle mute. (I have not used Teams)

I don't play multiplayer games, but I can totally see how push-to-talk would be essential for them. In an intense game with lots of keyboard work, people would be liable to accidentally leave the mic open, distracting teammates with keyboard sounds or whatever.

Push to talk also frees up your brain cycles from having to keep track of which mode you're in.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

Chat without history is such a waste. I used IRC recreationally back in the day, then at work for 10 years. What a total garbage communication format IRC is. People changing nicks to indicate being away was my biggest complaint.

It is unnecessary, AWAY indicates status, however people prefer changing their nick. of course, on mobile era, AWAY is unnecessary given you have a good mobile irc client.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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post #8

> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

thats why we need to go back to irc with eggdrops

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

Retaining old IRC chat while I wasn't present was the original reason I learned how to use the "screen" command.

Of course, this was over 20+ years ago now.

I had an IRCCloud account for the same exact reason until freenode "blew up"

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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Thanks for the hint. While they don't mention the issue in that post (and neither in the linked one regarding plumbing, where they say they regret libera's decision to request disabling portalling, like it came out of the blue), let's still hope it is fixed in this release. Again, I find the communication from matrix' side absolutely pathetic. Yes I know, it's an open source project, I don't pay them, they don't owe…

fwiw, i would be first to agree (as project lead for Matrix) that we (I) have fucked up the communication about libera irc bridging problems, and I am sorry for it. the root cause is lack of bandwidth: the bridge is both written and run by one guy, alongside a tonne of other stuff which often takes priority given it revolves around trying to generate $ to fund matrix dev. Around the beginning of the year, we had some…

Appreciate the feedback, this gives much needed insight into the situation. I just wish something even half as informative could have ended up in that issue a couple weeks ago.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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> The reliability and lack of bloat that are inherent to IRC ultimately also means that there are a number of fancy modern features that Discord has that IRC lacks, a big one being the inability to view backlogs of conversations that transpired while one was not connected to an IRC server. Although IRC does not itself provide this functionality, the extremely simple nature of IRC allows for a couple of lightweight op…

Discord has shitty logging and log-search capabilities. Discord's logging is shitty because: 1 - The logs aren't yours, they're Discord's. If you get banned from the server, your server shuts down, or Discord bans you altogether your access to those logs is gone forever. 2 - Unlike the logs of some IRC channels, Discord's logs aren't available on the web anywhere, so they can't be indexed or searched outside of Disco…

> Discord has shitty logging and log-search capabilities.

It's shitty, but if you just have to beat "non existant" that will often work.

Re: IRC is the only viable chat protocol (2022)

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The average user cannot be expected to run an additional piece of software just to use chat.

The average user cna be expected to run quite a lot of things, actually; it’s just that the last decade of VC-funded services has trained them not to. Otherwise—AIM/ICQ/Pidgin, LAN game servers, Hamachi, DC++, a BitTorrent node ... Remember when Opera came with a web server? I doubt people have gotten so much stupider since then, even if computers have become much more complex and mainstream consumer software essenti…

I think I'm reasonably tech savvy and at no time in my life I had a system I could trust to be 100% always-on. No way you could expect average users to run their own service just so they don't miss messages.

Anyways it feels silly to require always-on service when history could just be part of the protocol.

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