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French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Next law: protest as much as you want but out of sight. In your own cellar maybe? Ok that was sarcasm, but the very point of a protest is to be visible. Same with all Last Generation or such protests: if they had simply marched on some side street, nobody would talk about them today.

> the very point of a protest is to be visible. And that's why the public space must be made available for protesters, it's part of the life of a sane democracy. Public space and free press are sufficient if you have a point that matters to other people. But if you feel the need to hijack another event in order to get people's attention, maybe you don't have a valid point to start with?

I would argue the conclusion to that isn't that they don't have a valid point, but that the people cannot be sufficiently motivated, or that they are unsure how to protest effectively, or that they are unaware that disrupting often leaves people feeling disrupted, that feeling disrupted is not a positive feeling, and that associating Negativity with a movement too many times can really hurt it in the long run. Just look at the cultures idea of PETA in the USA.

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> At best we'd've had a civil war. The best part of that January was that a coup and/or civil war did not happen. The US got on with business. It could have went bad, but it did not do so.

A coup doesn't have to be successful to be a coup.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Polls showed that a large majority of French supported the Gilets Jaunes or supported the recent strikes. Foolowing your reasonning, the minority imposing their will to the silent majority is the government. Furthermore, independently to our opinion about the Gilets Jaunes, the way this government use the police on the protest can be questioning for a democracy. Even the journalist of the right Figaro newspaper prote…

> Polls showed that The only polls that matter are elections. Apart from elections, people have the right to avoid any poll without risking any policy change.

1) I was responding to someone talking about silent majority... polls is then relevant

2) Democracy is not just voting every 5 year for a president and a parliament

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Polls showed that a large majority of French supported the Gilets Jaunes or supported the recent strikes. Foolowing your reasonning, the minority imposing their will to the silent majority is the government. Furthermore, independently to our opinion about the Gilets Jaunes, the way this government use the police on the protest can be questioning for a democracy. Even the journalist of the right Figaro newspaper prote…

> Polls showed that The only polls that matter are elections. Apart from elections, people have the right to avoid any poll without risking any policy change.

Elections are not, and should not, be the be-all end-all of a functionning democraty. Otherwise you just have an elective aristocracy.

And to be clear, I'm not saying pure polling driven policy is the solution, but saying politician should outright ignore them because not legally binding is a very weird stance.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Yesterday the French government dissolved an environmental movement (which I don't like btw), amongst the reasons stated[0] are that they leave their phones at home or switch them off, refuse to talk to the police when arrested, or even that they organize their protest over the internet. When accused of authoritarian tendencies the government usually answers "go to China or North Korea to see what a dictatorship is l…

I was thinking about an uber or courier service that takes your phone for a walk Pretty much relying on the assumption that investigators will find stationary phones suspicious when they spy on you Could put them in those charging lockboxes seen as airports and festivals, the infrastructure is already there Guess I’ll market it to climate activists in europe lol edit: maybe those delivery robots are even better couri…

A bunch of radios confusing thousands of gps devices seems better.

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There was no coup attempt in the US. Trump was legitimately elected, and proved to be competent as a president, if somewhat weak due to opposition from the entrenched bureaucracy ("deep state"). He was certainly less of a warmonger than his immediate predecessors or successors, for which the world should be grateful. All the hysteria about him proved to be just that.

Well we can't say he didn't do anything strange. Firing huge portions of the state department to replace them with loyalists, attempting to dismantle the EPA (the only agency keeping track of aging nuclear submarines and, you know, that whole climate change thing), exiting the Iran nuclear deal for essentially nothing. Those are just from the top of my head but apart from the constant social faux-pas being signal boo…

> the only agency keeping track of aging nuclear submarines

citation needed. Even the EPA's own page provides the actual agency "keeping track" of them:

https://www.epa.gov/radtown/nuclear-submarines-and-aircraft-...

(hint: it's the DOD and Navy, right at the top of "where to learn more")

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What do you mean the worst of several options? The law is the law, if it's unfair it gets changed. Having the judge "making it up" as he goes, and then another judge using that sentence 120 years later as precedent like in american courts sounds insane

What you describe does not match reality.

Townshend v Townshend is a ruling from 1848 still being quoted.

Citing Slavery Project did an analysis and found 18% of all current cases in courts either quote slavery rulings or are less than 2 steps removed (quote a ruling that quotes the slavery ruling).

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I was thinking about an uber or courier service that takes your phone for a walk Pretty much relying on the assumption that investigators will find stationary phones suspicious when they spy on you Could put them in those charging lockboxes seen as airports and festivals, the infrastructure is already there Guess I’ll market it to climate activists in europe lol edit: maybe those delivery robots are even better couri…

Just leave the phone on a bus, somewhere hidden. Then "find" it later, or call the bus service if need be.

I want to charge people a subscription service

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Polls showed that a large majority of French supported the Gilets Jaunes or supported the recent strikes. Foolowing your reasonning, the minority imposing their will to the silent majority is the government. Furthermore, independently to our opinion about the Gilets Jaunes, the way this government use the police on the protest can be questioning for a democracy. Even the journalist of the right Figaro newspaper prote…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/945415/gilets-jaunes-app... Those in favour went from 70 to 50% over the course of 5 months, opposition tripled, strong support went from 50% to 20%.

Few months after the start of the Gilet Jaune, they were not "blocking the country" anymore (I was answering a comment about this)...

And while not supporting the Gilet Jaune mode of action anymore, people still strongly supported and support the main ideas they pushed, like Citizens' initiative referendum, or the Solidarity tax on wealth

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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What you describe does not match reality.

Townshend v Townshend is a ruling from 1848 still being quoted. Citing Slavery Project did an analysis and found 18% of all current cases in courts either quote slavery rulings or are less than 2 steps removed (quote a ruling that quotes the slavery ruling).

Not sure how that's relevant.

> The law is the law, if it's unfair it gets changed.

That's the part that doesn't match reality.

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