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Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by Dalewyn »

zokier wrote: post #259
r00fus wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See that’s on-brand with the cutthroat ruthless billG company. So not ideal, but not surprising either. This is anti-customer and needlessly fraught with legal implications. Of course it seems aligned with their hallucinations-enabled OpenAI investment. How much of this is just attempts to feed GPT4?

> See that’s on-brand with the cutthroat ruthless billG company Tangential, but this made me reflect on how "good"/"nice" Ballmer, and Ballmer-era MS, was in a very relative sense. This is slightly startling considering how my mental image of either Ballmer or MS is not great. But now looking back it does feel like relentless anti-competitiveness lessened a bit during that era, and lot of good stuff happened then. Wi…

Lot of people like to troll Ballmer for his "Developers! Developers! Developers!" act, but then again you can't really get any better than being developer centric and by consequence enthusiast, power users, and professional centric.

By contrast, Gates was "Embrace! Extend! Extinguish!" and Nadella is "Data! Data! Data!"

I miss Ballmer.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by pinewurst »

zokier wrote: post #259
r00fus wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See that’s on-brand with the cutthroat ruthless billG company. So not ideal, but not surprising either. This is anti-customer and needlessly fraught with legal implications. Of course it seems aligned with their hallucinations-enabled OpenAI investment. How much of this is just attempts to feed GPT4?

> See that’s on-brand with the cutthroat ruthless billG company Tangential, but this made me reflect on how "good"/"nice" Ballmer, and Ballmer-era MS, was in a very relative sense. This is slightly startling considering how my mental image of either Ballmer or MS is not great. But now looking back it does feel like relentless anti-competitiveness lessened a bit during that era, and lot of good stuff happened then. Wi…

I see the Nadella era rather as the triumph of PM culture, adapted/stolen from the seemingly more competitive Google and Facebook. It's all about demonstrating increased "engagement" and the ubiquitous A/B testing because new product deltas get you promoted. It's never about maintaining 'old' stuff or providing real value - only gimmicks to catch the eye of your half-wit leadership.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by jqpabc123 »

jimsimmons wrote: post #306
jqpabc123 wrote: post #245

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More than 80 percent of Google's revenue comes directly from selling your privacy to advertisers --- aka "personalized" ads. More then 80 percent of MSFT's revenue comes directly from selling software and services. Google earns about as much money from privacy invasion as MSFT does from software and data services. You can try to deny or ignore the reality of it --- but you have nothing to refute it other than persona…

Question is who is more predatory not who makes more money

How do you measure "predatory" if not by revenue/money made?

Google's privacy invasion spans the globe.

They have the world's most popular browser feeding them user's web activity. They have the most popular mobile OS feeding them users' physical location. They operate the world's most popular email service feeding them users mail habits and purchase receipts. They have trackers embedded on virtually all of the world's most popular web sites.

It is really possible for anyone to get more "predatory" than Google?

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by pmontra »

sangriafria wrote: post #208
dhimes wrote: post #196

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I have no problems with FF mobile on iPhone.

Any browser on iOS is forced to use the Safari rendering engine. Firefox on Android is very different to iOS

Yeah but I don't have any problem with Firefox on Android. I'm typing this on a Samsung A40.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by hot_gril »

deelowe wrote: post #213
hot_gril wrote: post #67

I installed Windows 10 (not even 11!) recently on a random laptop and was appalled by the amount of BS in the initial setup process. Forced me to make a Microsoft online account seemingly with remote access to my PC, tried to sign me up for several different free trials, then tried multiple times to push me to Edge instead of Chrome. The UI has new crap like the Bing search on the taskbar and in the center of the des…

Is pass-through good enough on modern hardware where I can just run a windows VM for gaming and then shutdown windows when I'm done? This would be the ideal scenario for me. I applaud Valve's efforts with proton, but I think Microsoft will start pushing back. I bet starfield will be very difficult to run well in Linux, for example.

Oh by all means I would just boot into Windows or have a separate PC for video games if I cared about them. Not worth messing with emulation unless you find it fun.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by sebosp »

partiallypro wrote: post #206
brookst wrote: post #106

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It's sending URL's, and it's not clear if it is also sending cookies or other auth info. I would think / hope that any images covered by HIPAA would not be leakable by URL alone.

Yeah, since it's sending the URLs, Microsoft couldn't get to the actual images in question because they'd in a private network, behind a login, etc. If the images are hosting on a public domain or IP, that is not on Microsoft.

Just curious, how are images protected by login:password? The only way I know is htacess, which isn't really an easily scalable/usable feature... Many years ago, maybe 10 when I used Facebook I recall you could share a picture location with anybody regardless of login (i.e. Right click, copy image location, send over whatever), so the URL wouldn't be guessable or possible to predict, and the protection would be that you would get access to such url only when logged. I think in this context, the private network idea would only work if you are on vpn and you share urls that are only accesible vía vpn, is this a common setup for medical images? Is this expected? I wouldn't mind having a key or an image descrambler/decrypting/token but can't say the same about my grandma, my mother, my brother, my nephews...

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by JohnFen »

Dalewyn wrote: post #331
zokier wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> See that’s on-brand with the cutthroat ruthless billG company Tangential, but this made me reflect on how "good"/"nice" Ballmer, and Ballmer-era MS, was in a very relative sense. This is slightly startling considering how my mental image of either Ballmer or MS is not great. But now looking back it does feel like relentless anti-competitiveness lessened a bit during that era, and lot of good stuff happened then. Wi…

Lot of people like to troll Ballmer for his "Developers! Developers! Developers!" act, but then again you can't really get any better than being developer centric and by consequence enthusiast, power users, and professional centric. By contrast, Gates was "Embrace! Extend! Extinguish!" and Nadella is "Data! Data! Data!" I miss Ballmer.

I don't. All three of them were/are terrible. They just each have their own personality about it.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by hot_gril »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #261
hot_gril wrote: post #67

I installed Windows 10 (not even 11!) recently on a random laptop and was appalled by the amount of BS in the initial setup process. Forced me to make a Microsoft online account seemingly with remote access to my PC, tried to sign me up for several different free trials, then tried multiple times to push me to Edge instead of Chrome. The UI has new crap like the Bing search on the taskbar and in the center of the des…

> and never felt Linux was a worthwhile alternative on desktop ZorinOS ( https://zorin.com/os ) can hopefully change your perspective.

I've tried em all. It's not that I need a more user-friendly DE like Zorin's, it's more that the Linux kernel lacks broad support. One small but kinda important example is how simply watching Netflix requires workarounds and won't run above 1080p. Zoom and Discord also have caveats. And hardware peripherals are always questionable with Linux, whereas they'll get 0 stars if they don't 100% work with Windows (even if it's Windows's fault).

Also, random other users are probably better off with Ubuntu than Zorin purely because that's what more people use and you can actually Google how to do stuff in it. Even a lot of Zorin questions will link to Ubuntu tutorials.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by LoganDark »

netsharc wrote: post #284
burnte wrote: post #162

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I got a laptop in from a user the other day, that shocked the hell out of me, that floating search bar thing. MS is downright creepy the way they slip things in.

With remote work it always fascinates me to see how many people leave the weather (& news) bar displayed next to the tray on the taskbar, this is something that came with a Windows 10 update. People really don't change defaults... I was wondering if I could make a fake one, just add an appropriate icon and change its label to say something like 6000°C Nuclear Holocaust

> I was wondering if I could make a fake one, just add an appropriate icon and change its label to say something like 6000°C Nuclear Holocaust

Dude, if you ever make this, post it to HN. I'd install that on my computer in a heartbeat.

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