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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by phodo »

pwthornton wrote: post #85

The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

Just last night I found a post on TUAW about something called AirParrot (http://www.airparrot.com), which provides similar functionality. I've been looking for something like that for a while, so jumped at the chance to download it (cost me $9.99). It's in beta, and the developer makes no secret of that. It does not pipe audio, and has a few other quirks but I managed to: run a powerpoint presentation, run civilization v, and play some youtube videos from my machine to my appletv. I have no affiliation with the developer, but i must say - to pwthornton's point above, it's pretty effing cool to airplay out of your mac. I bet the official release from apple will be that much better too.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by msbarnett »

SeanLuke wrote: post #333

Is it really true that Apple didn't realize it's already used this cat in an OS X release ? OSX 10.1 Puma. Puma, Cougar, and Mountain Lion are names for the same species of cat (Puma concolor).

The release code words are just that: code words. They're not meant to represent some kind of underlying biological reality. OS X 10.1 was not code-named "The biological species Puma concolor", and OS X 10.8 is not code-named "The biological species Puma concolor".

The code-names "Puma" and "Mountain Lion" are distinct words, ergo they represent different releases. That in biology these words refer to the same species of cat is utterly irrelevant.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

api wrote: post #305

I really hope they don't try to converge the interfaces too much. The design elements in Lion that were very iOS-like were IMHO the worst. The thing is: pads and phones are fundamentally different kinds of devices. Their UI paradigm is designed around frequent but brief and relatively shallow interactions, while a PC is for deeper longer-term interactions. Trying convergence here seems like something very easy to bot…

In Microsoft's case, they're building a completely new UI for both PC and Tablet form factors in Windows 8, and from trying the Developer Preview, it seems to work OK on PC (although it does need a lot of tweaking)

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by doomlaser »

rayiner wrote: post #297
tristan_louis wrote: post #101

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You're not. The continuing IOSification of OSX is something that has been bugging me too and part of why, to date, I've yet to upgrade to Lion. It looks like Apple wants to create a more iOS-like approach across all its products, which is fine if you buy into the whole ecosystem. It also seems there's a trend here, with Apple bringing iOS increasingly into OSX and Microsoft bringing Windows Phone into Windows 8, the…

At the end of the day, the Mac is still the developer platform for iOS Apple has been really good to Mac developers, and I don't see them stopping anytime soon (it is totally against their interest in having a great apps ecosystem on iOS). Lion is great. Swiping between full-screen desktops is a huge productivity boost. Touchpad gestures instead of hotkeys to bring up Expose is awesome. Yes it's iOS-ified, but it tak…

> "Xcode keeps getting less shitty"

Are you kidding? XCode 4 is one of the most unstable pieces of software that Apple has ever released. It crashes all the time and is borderline unacceptable as an IDE.

Check out: https://twitter.com/search/realtime/xcode%20crash

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by Arelius »

bwarp wrote: post #318
Arelius wrote: post #272

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If you think Visual studio express works as well as pro, or that pro and the like are only for corporate enterprise architects and e like. You've clearly never used visual studio pro. Profiling and x64 support are two trivial examples of what's missing, both of which are features included in the free Xcode.

x64 is only an issue if you do native interop. Profiling is solved by using ANTS profiler.

> x64 is only an issue if you do native interop.

I'm specifically speaking on my personal experience with Visual C++, in which x64 is much more important. Additionally I'm unsure if native interop can be done at all with Express editions, since there is a seperate Visual Studio Express for every language.

I'm certain .Net languages have other limitations using the Express editions.

> Profiling is solved by using ANTS profiler.

If we are expressing equivalency with every free non Microsoft product with the similar Visual Studio pro feature the whole Discussion is moot, because you'll be able to find a Mono or GCC, or some other tool that has the same feature checkpoint. But that doesn't change the fact that Visual Studio Express doesn't have profiling among other things.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by [deleted] »

bwarp wrote: post #318
Arelius wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think Visual studio express works as well as pro, or that pro and the like are only for corporate enterprise architects and e like. You've clearly never used visual studio pro. Profiling and x64 support are two trivial examples of what's missing, both of which are features included in the free Xcode.

x64 is only an issue if you do native interop. Profiling is solved by using ANTS profiler.

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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by replax »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #110
orionlogic wrote: post #96

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I am excited as well in AirPlay Mirroring so i watched several times in the demo. It seems video plays with Quicktime. So lot's of video formats are not compatible like mkv's, iso's etc... If somehow i am able to mirror VLC i will run and buy Apple TV at once.

From what I can see it's just screen sharing isn't it? Play something in VLC in fullscreen and you're fine. They use Quicktime for the demo because it's an Apple product but I don't believe it's a limitation. If Apple have to throw Quicktime under the bus to sell more Apple TVs and Macs I think they'll happily do it.

What you are saying is true, however it is a rather messy solution. Assuming that the next AppleTV will support 1080p output you could not just mirror your screen to get the best quality. The source film is in 1080p, gets scaled down to screen res. which is transmitted to the AppleTV and then gets scaled up to 1080p again - resulting in a easily visible quality loss.

I hope they treat the screen as a "second screen" which is mirrored...

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by batista »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #178
batista wrote: post #173

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The last three lines of your comment are complete nonsense. You have failed to parse and understand what I wrote. Yeah, because it is so off base, right, you writing: "If malware on OSX is as small a problem as you're suggesting, why is Apple bothering with any of this? Is it to wrestle further control of the app eco-system on OSX? Or is it just security theatre? Or both? Something else?" And me translating the above…

I was attempting to prompt you into retracting your ridiculous statement about malware not being a problem. I wish I hadn't bothered now. I'll leave you to it.

I was attempting to prompt you into retracting your ridiculous statement about malware not being a problem.

Ridiculous how?

It's perfectly valid, as in: VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY FEW OS X users ever had problems with malware. Less that what would be statistical noise. On top of it, all the cases of OS X malware, had been trojans. So, 99.9999% got scratch free, despite not even running any antivirus or anything.

So, an ACTUAL, EXISTING problem, it is NOT.

Now, a POSSIBLE, FUTURE problem, yeah, it can be.

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