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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jrumbut »

oblio wrote: post #311
fifilura wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do it! Or the easy way. 1. Find a husband/wife. 2. Get some kids. 3. Get some more kids. 4. Invite some other families with lots of kids now and then. 5. Profit!

> Do it! > Or the easy way. > 1. Find a husband/wife. 2. Get some kids. 3. Get some more kids. 4. Invite some other families with lots of kids now and then. 5. Profit! I think you're mixing up the "easy" and "hard" ways here :-)))

Truth be told I found #1 very easy, #2 and #3 seem straightforward enough, but since I've made it a goal to see friends more it's been a herculean task.

I find myself being one of very few people actually taking the initiative to propose in person hangouts and to make them happen usually involves doing everything in my power to make them as low effort/cost as possible for others.

And honestly I'm grateful for the people who actually agree to do things, they're hard to find!

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jrumbut »

stuaxo wrote: post #312
wheels wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I often also do parties, where I cook for 20-ish people, and often have 3-4 dishwasher loads after a party. Speed does matter some. Where it matters a lot more is that I live in an condo where officially I'm not supposed to run my dishwasher after 10:00 p.m. The difference between 1 or 3 hours is significant there for running it after dinner. (I basically only run it after 10:00 p.m. after parties; got a very q…

Not being able to run after 10 would be a pain. I guess with a timer it could run in the morning and work from home means the day could work. Totally stops using cheaper energy at night too.

Imagine if it leaks? Or anything else goes wrong?

I've never heard of a dishwasher so loud it couldn't be run any time.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by barnabee »

I really dislike this article and fundamentally disagree.

Sure, some engineers need to be looking at the problems people have or the products they're trying to buy or whatever, but that's not why I'm here.

The goal, especially when starting out, is to:

1. Obsessively understand, improve and optimise everything, knowing that many of the results will not make it into real products or if they do will flop; and

2. Invent things that nobody asked for. Things that are weird and ideological and unlikely and confusing and just plain cool, knowing that many of thee too will fail.

Why 1? Because sometimes the things in 2 only become possible by mashing together a bunch of the things in 1 that looked like they weren't really worth it or useful.

Why 2? Because noone can really predict what people want or need, or would like, once you get into the realm of new technology and ideas that are sufficiently different from what we have today.

Many things about life in the future will and should be radically different than they are now (this is not something special about now, it has been true on generational timelines at least since the beginning of the industrial revolution and on longer timelines forever). Experimentation and ignoring business cases and customers is that future happens.

If you want to think about "consumer challenges" and worry whether your idea is a viable business rather than just giving it a go, iterating rapidly, and having an idea about when to stop if it doesn't work out, be my guest, but to me this is an incredily dull, mercenary view of the future.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by tomn »

barnabee wrote: post #329
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

Dishwashers in commercial kitchens are rapid, much less than 10 mins. I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. A dishwasher so fast that it's done while you're still clearing up from dinner and you can put stuff away immediately would be fantastic and is clearly absolutely possible.

From my limited understanding:

- the mechanism is large compared to the capacity

- they are noisy

- they require lots of power

- they need to be pre-heated (so only make sense if you're running more than one load)

- they require more chemicals for the same load sizes

People have done it, but it's not that practical for most people, especially if you're only washing up for one or two people.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by actionfromafar »

barnabee wrote: post #329
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

Dishwashers in commercial kitchens are rapid, much less than 10 mins. I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. A dishwasher so fast that it's done while you're still clearing up from dinner and you can put stuff away immediately would be fantastic and is clearly absolutely possible.

It is possible, but I think the market is tiny.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by fifilura »

jrumbut wrote: post #331
oblio wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do it! > Or the easy way. > 1. Find a husband/wife. 2. Get some kids. 3. Get some more kids. 4. Invite some other families with lots of kids now and then. 5. Profit! I think you're mixing up the "easy" and "hard" ways here :-)))

Truth be told I found #1 very easy, #2 and #3 seem straightforward enough, but since I've made it a goal to see friends more it's been a herculean task. I find myself being one of very few people actually taking the initiative to propose in person hangouts and to make them happen usually involves doing everything in my power to make them as low effort/cost as possible for others. And honestly I'm grateful for the peo…

For step 4, I recommend hanging out with the families of friends of the outcome of step 2 & 3.

There are multiple benefits of this approach.

But apart from that, I feel your pain. There should be more people like you, hope you find them instead of having to convince people that are not like you.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Arnt »

barnabee wrote: post #329
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

Dishwashers in commercial kitchens are rapid, much less than 10 mins. I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. A dishwasher so fast that it's done while you're still clearing up from dinner and you can put stuff away immediately would be fantastic and is clearly absolutely possible.

I asked at the shop where I bought our dishwasher. They have a different precondition. Home dishwashers deliver clean results from messier inputs. Dried fat on the plates from yesterday's breakfast. The fast dishwashers have to be run within minutes, and you have to be more careful about how much dreck there is on the plates.

I too would like to have a faster dishwasher. When we cook while the dishwasher is running, a queue builds up on the working spaces, and there's only so much space. It's a problem.

More pertinently, this isn't the first article I've read titled "nobody wants [x] — [conclusion]" that was confident and wrong about the starting premise. Is this the kind of thing women call mansplaining? Sounds like it.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by actionfromafar »

tomn wrote: post #334
barnabee wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dishwashers in commercial kitchens are rapid, much less than 10 mins. I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. A dishwasher so fast that it's done while you're still clearing up from dinner and you can put stuff away immediately would be fantastic and is clearly absolutely possible.

From my limited understanding: - the mechanism is large compared to the capacity - they are noisy - they require lots of power - they need to be pre-heated (so only make sense if you're running more than one load) - they require more chemicals for the same load sizes People have done it, but it's not that practical for most people, especially if you're only washing up for one or two people.

And you ideally would have one of the large sinks and huge water hose to pre and post rinse the dishes if need be. From having used one of the commercial kitchen dishwashers, I think the amount of work is actually more than for a home appliance dishwasher, but the benefit is speed. There is no waiting around.

(The chemicals are probably also dangerous to the intestines, as seen on HN.)

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by yanellena »

speed_spread wrote: post #89
goblinux wrote: post #13

My dishwasher has a beeper for when it’s done like a microwave. It drives me up a wall!! I don’t care when dishes are done, I don’t need to attend to them urgently. They can sit there clean until I’m ready for them. There is no way to disable this beeper and it goes off every minute after the cycle is complete. Thank god the dishwasher has a wall switch to the circuit so I can just kill it but oh man. Never buying Bo…

I'm pretty certain that's not an engineer's feature but rather the great idea of a product manager answering to marketing concerns wanting to make the product more "human" or some shit like that. The engineer sighed, implemented the thing, kept his job and moved on. BTW, my Samsung _played a 30 second song_ (loudly beeping) when it was done. I think it was Schubert or something? And again, no documented way to shut i…

Honestly I'd send it back to the shop. Though it's wise to avoid all Samsung appliances because of the huge failure rate.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by WillPostForFood »

ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

30min? mine runs for 3 hours. Faster please!
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