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IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by panick21_ »

alright_scowl wrote: post #245
988747 wrote: post #242

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I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

I think the benefits far outweigh the downsides. To be frank, I think a big chunk of its problems is that it is not integrated enough. Then again, my perspective is from someone not originally from Europe, that chose to migrate here and declined job offers from the US even though I would receive considerably more money had I accepted. I have zero regrets, by the way. So take my opinion as one without the social nuanc…

I think many of the benefits could be achieved with better methods, other then putting a French style barley democratic bureaucracy on top of all existing democracies.

The reality is also that almost non of the people in the countries were actually asked if they wanted to join.

There is a difference between being pro European integration and pro existing EU structure.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by panick21_ »

hkt wrote: post #252
988747 wrote: post #242

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I live in the EU, understand how it works, and that's why I hate it, and I want my country out of it ASAP :)

As a British person, I'd suggest you reconsider. Things over here are not so rosy. Drugs shortages, crazy inflation, no discernible benefits at all except to a government that hates judicial oversight of any kind.

The UK has been doing a bad job at a lot of things and they ended up blamed the EU. Now all the problems are blamed by the opposition on leaving the EU.

The reality is that most of the UKs problems were not because of the EU before and are not because they left the UK now.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by uoaei »

dotnet00 wrote: post #277
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

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It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

Not all too different from Europeans smugly commenting about how crazy Americans are for having different priorities in threads that happen to relate to American issues.

In my experience, criticism of the US is of the "this is clearly harming more people than it helps" variety, while criticism of the EU is of the "look at what these silly people are trying to provide as a service to their citizens" variety.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by panick21_ »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #83
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

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It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

A crowd that is ideological resistant to reality in quite a entertaining fashion. Just remember the Boing 737 Max, which was never explored under this focus. Why does European airbus thrive, while us aircraft industry declined? Both are heavily state subsidized, so it is not that. There is something dysfunctional in us business culture, that extracts value first, and then runs without creating something for the value…

I think pointing out Airbus is a bit questionable. Yes Airbus does well now, but Europe tried to do these kinds of things in many different places and most of them didn't end up so well.

And at the same time, if we stay within Aerospace, why is SpaceX utterly dominating anything from Europe. Is US business culture to blame?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by uoaei »

permo-w wrote: post #220
alright_scowl wrote: post #160

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The odd part is that these bad takes seem to typically come from people that don't even live the EU, and don't understand how it works. They just don't like that it exists.

is that odd? it doesn’t seem surprising to me that Americans would think USA good EU bad

It is odd that you believe citizenship demands some kind of absolutist factionalism that is not just felt but continually reinforced using all available media channels.

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by returningfory2 »

dotnet00 wrote: post #277
Deukhoofd wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly got to the point where I barely open comments related to EU projects any more. While most of the time there's somewhat nuanced discussions in comments, once the EU gets mentioned for some reason most of the comments basically boil down to "EU bad, US better", and "Big government bad", completely ignoring the actual contents of what the post it about.

Not all too different from Europeans smugly commenting about how crazy Americans are for having different priorities in threads that happen to relate to American issues.

So glad to see someone pointing out this phenomenon!

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by deeviant »

coder543 wrote: post #249
deeviant wrote: post #216

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I'm a very big fan of astronomy, but I can't seem to care at all about satellites blocking terrestrial telescopes. Ubiquitous connectivity is simply a larger concern than land based telescopes. Further, space based telescopes seem to be the future of the discipline. While land based radio telescopes are less effected by satellites. A bigger concern is Kepler syndrome, but that threat seems minimal in LEO.

Kessler syndome, not Kepler, just FYI

Yes, thank you. Too late to edit =/

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by uoaei »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #313
justeleblanc wrote: post #238

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Yes, we are. Why?

Because GPS has never been shut down, to my knowledge.

Can you be more specific on how exactly this one-dimensional evaluation of a resolved issue contributes to your argument?

Re: IRIS²: The EU’s Response to Musk’s Starlink

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Post by eethawkey »

peterashford wrote: post #323
dotnet00 wrote: post #277

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Not all too different from Europeans smugly commenting about how crazy Americans are for having different priorities in threads that happen to relate to American issues.

As a third party (New Zealander), I don't think that's correct. I think the US criticism of EU is much more often baseless compared to the reverse situation (as evidenced by the number of issues which are picked up by the residents of non aligned countries).

Also as a New Zealander - I think the opposite - EU criticism of the US really misses many points about the competitiveness of their society and burden they bear protecting the rest of the world's democracies. I think it is really about people's personal politics - Kiwis generally are much more aligned (left) with EU socialism/interventionism and hence relate more and see US criticism as baseless. It's all a matter of perspective & personal politics vs one side being more baseless than the other.
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