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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by therealdrag0 »

Kye wrote: post #289
citizenpaul wrote: post #239

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>green recruit last in Nam scenario How is it any different where you came from? Once you become a teenager the gangs and predatory "adults" start closing in on you to either join/serve or be an outsider they abuse for amusement. I say this from similar situation as you but I was 16. Much easier since I could legally work in restaurants (which is what I did). I have no idea how you would make it without the ability t…

Where are they going to go where they won't be at a severe disadvantage due to racism and lack of both money and connections?

Yes they’d be at a disadvantage. Wouldn’t you still make that choice? Why would you voluntarily stay in a place so poor? Can it really get any worse?

Re: Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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Post by therealdrag0 »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #208
Aeolun wrote: post #130

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Another question is why they all still live there?

imagine a ghetto but instead of being in a major city like Venice it is 1000s of miles away from any real economic opportunity.

Thousands of miles? Check a map.

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Post by zdragnar »

spanktheuser wrote: post #81
zdragnar wrote: post #20

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Even though it's not technically wrong, but I also don't see how viewing a people (or worse, viewing yourself) as a perpetual victim is in any way useful. There's no rewriting the past. Saying "I'll never amount to anything because of what happened 50, 100, 200 years ago" denies your agency, and thus a fundamental aspect of your humanity. Some people seem to think that the bigotry of low expectations is "social justi…

The trapped individuals are living are living in a location where these sorts of conditions are extreme. Prior to climate change they may have been unthinkable. People with limited resources don't devote them to mitigating once in a lifetime risks. Their everyday life is constrained: buy a more reliable car vs. save for a child's education. Eat healthier food vs. visit the doctor. These Native Americans live in a vul…

The first paragraph is absolute nonsense. This storm is an outlier, for sure, but winters have on average been getting easier, not harder, in the upper Midwest.

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Post by LarsDu88 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #226
Ntrails wrote: post #204

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I knew about the alcoholism rates, but had always assumed it was a socio-economic / situational driven thing. I understand that historically it was used in some sense to control and indeed damage the Native Americans by the colonists? To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know

>To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know Kind of a tricky question that is somewhat covered in my link. Alcohol was definitely brewed in the Americas pre-Columbus, but by the seventeenth century alcohol was largely unknown to the Natives interacting with the colonists.

Tejuino is a precolonial alcoholic beverage that is still enjoyed today. It's ABV is incredibly low compared to anything you'd buy in a modern 7/11 however.

The tarahumara people's have more alcoholic version called tesguino that is only drunk once per year as the preparation process is labor intensive, and the drink goes bad rather quickly

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Post by antisthenes »

mderazon wrote: post #309
dragoncrab wrote: post #49

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Heat is less likely to kill you directly if you aren't forced to do physical work without any protection. However, tens of thousands of square kilometers of agricultural land is turned to desert in Central Europe with every single degree the yearly average temperature rises. Droughts are decimating crops made for prices skyrocket even before the war in Ukraine. That has some harder to attribute but none of the less s…

Interesting, can you explain more about this type of insulation?

It's just polystyrene. The graphite is a marketing term that doesn't have much to do with the material properties.

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Post by lisper »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #328
lisper wrote: post #256

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Yeah, I'm not saying that this is actually true, only that it's not absurd on its face. As I understand it (and I am absolutely not an expert here) North American indigenous populations separated from Asians at the end of the ice age, i.e. ~10,000 years ago, and since then had no exposure to alcohol. That seems like plenty of time for genetic predisposition to alcohol tolerance to be reduced. So it's possible and wor…

This is simply not true. Indigenous peoples of mesoamerica have drunk fermented maize beverages for as long as maize has been cultivated. Tejuino is still a quite popular drink in Mexico. Arguably what has changed is the ABV of such beverages. Post-industrial alcohol percentages are way higher than what precolonial mesoamericans, ancient Greeks, and vikings we're drinking

> Indigenous peoples of mesoamerica

OK, but Pine Ridge is in North America. There could have been enough isolation in pre-Columbian times for north American indigenous to evolve a different alcohol response from mesoamericans.

Like I said: I am not an expert, and I have no idea whether this hypothesis is true or not. I'm just not aware of any facts that would rule it out.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

nikanj wrote: post #235
michael_vo wrote: post #218

I always wonder why the military isn’t used in these situations. Can’t they airdrop supplies easily? Isn’t there a gigantic unused workforce that could shovel people out?

Soldiers aren’t any more weatherproof than normal humans. Working in those temperatures is equally deadly for them and civilians

Good equipment can go a long ways. In fact another post says the national guard IS being sent.

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Post by msrenee »

xyzelement wrote: post #175
ethanbond wrote: post #114

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"100 years ago" is a weird way to describe "ongoing harm as recently as... earlier this year." https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081872135/native-americans-p... Or the US government's uranium mining on Navajo land continuing to poison people today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_mining_and_the_Navajo_...

What does mine placement have to do with a community's ability to store emergency firewood where it's accessible in an emergency?

Well, that example was about a Navajo community. Quite a long way from the Pine Ridge rez. Very different people and culture.

They gave that as an example in response to the claim that the abuse of natives is historical and not actively happening. While it is not directly damage done to the occupants of Pine Ridge, it does demonstrate that the sort of injustices that destroy native communities are still occurring.

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Post by bumby »

LarsDu88 wrote: post #334
boomboomsubban wrote: post #226

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>To what extent alcohol was completely new etc I do not know Kind of a tricky question that is somewhat covered in my link. Alcohol was definitely brewed in the Americas pre-Columbus, but by the seventeenth century alcohol was largely unknown to the Natives interacting with the colonists.

Tejuino is a precolonial alcoholic beverage that is still enjoyed today. It's ABV is incredibly low compared to anything you'd buy in a modern 7/11 however. The tarahumara people's have more alcoholic version called tesguino that is only drunk once per year as the preparation process is labor intensive, and the drink goes bad rather quickly

I think your points add much needed nuance, but isn't there a possibility that both are true? I.e., both your examples may be true for Native Americans in present-day Mexico while the OP's point could be true for other groups like the Lakota at Pine Ridge. (I'm not claiming any knowledge on the subject, just questioning whether both points have to be mutually exclusive)

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Post by [deleted] »

citizenpaul wrote: post #283
mathieuh wrote: post #270

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What a callous way to look at the world.

A single opinion on a single subject is not a sweeping view of the entire world. Despite being treated as disposable trash by the world I actually have unflattering but overall optimistic view of the world. I believe people are mostly good but more selfish. All these problems are not from lack of help but lack of personal empowerment. The world has this deranged flow to it lately that people "need" help on the most b…

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